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groove in axle from oil seal

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Big Hunter

11-07-2007 15:33:26




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I would like to fix the axles the right way. So what is the right way? I was thinking about having it welded then turned back down, but I'm wondering will that take the temper out of it? (it's a 3 and a quarter inch axle) I didn't measure how deep the groove is, but you can see it and feel it and the one axle had signs of leaking. Then I think there is another way "splatter weld" is that the term? Does anybody know anything about that method? Yeah then there's the wear sleeve, but I'd rather not go that route. I'm rebuiding this tractor as close to new as possible. Hope somebody can help me. Thanks (actually I have to do something with the PTO shaft also and it's maybe an inch and a half in diameter)

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NorminN.B.

11-08-2007 09:42:13




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
See if you can get a double lip seal to fit it. At least one lip should miss the groove in the axle. Hope this helps. NorminN.B.



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Tramway Guy

11-08-2007 07:57:02




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
Wear sleeve is the way to go. The hardest part is getting it over the axle to the correct location without damaging it. I would use a piece of tubing, such as exhaust pipe tubing or PVC (square-cut end) that is just a hair larger than the axle. You can also warm it a little in hot water and drive it into place.



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Dave Sherburne NY

11-08-2007 07:46:27




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
Check this out, for speedie sleeves



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RodInNS

11-07-2007 19:26:28




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
You didn't say what axle this is on, but on the Ford flange axles that I'm familiar with, there's no moving the seal. IT seals on the shaft and also has a sealing surface on the end of the axle housing... so if you move it's place on the shaft it leaks on the other face.
I would think that a Speedi-Sleeve would be the correct solution for what you want. I don't know anything about spray welding. I do know that I would not be doing any stick welding on any load bearing axle shaft. I'd sleeve it.

Rod

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DLM

11-07-2007 19:17:35




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
Another option you might look in to is Devcon Titanium Putty. Good product USA made about $60.00 for a 1 lb. can, more than enought for your job. I have used other Devcon products and they work well. Don



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Oldmax

11-07-2007 18:53:58




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
I wouldn't be afraid to use a Seal sleeve GM used them on New Cranks for Main Seals Front & Rear On their 2 Cycle engines. I worked as a receiving Inspector for 3 years looked at a bunch of them .
those engines were good for over 250,000 to 500,000 miles before overhaul .



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NC Wayne

11-07-2007 18:40:30




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
The spray welding is a good way top go if done right but it"s not gona be cheap. I can"t understand why you don"t want to use a speedi sleeve. Their typically as hard if not harder than the origional material so they"ll last just as long, if not longer, than it origionally did before it wears out. Too using a sleeve you don"t have to worry about the temper being taken out of the axel when it"s welded (read as it has to be done right), having to figure out what material was used for the "last" repair at some future point if it gets grooved again and needs another repair, or anything else. With a sleeve it"s simply install, assemble and get on about your business. In other words using a sleeve doesn"t do anything to degrade the strength of the axel or the quality of the seal your gonna be getting, and it"s always easy to do again in the future if needed. You can spend more to weld but in the end a sleeve is just as good. Just my .02

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george md

11-07-2007 18:19:38




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
The term is spray weld or metalizing , it's
a very good repair for a seal surface . Spray the axle with a high nickel or a stainless spray
and it will last a long time and won't rust
and tear up a new seal.

I do spray weld and have for about 30 years.

george



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john nelson

11-07-2007 16:05:25




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
"speed sleeves" are available for almost any seal, they are thin sleeves which fit over the shaft. Most supply stores have them.
John



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landlord7012

11-07-2007 15:53:02




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
Closest to original and least invasive procedure would be spray welding. Try www.georgemiller.com. He's done some neat stuff but it ain't cheap no matter where you go. You don't want the seals "hanging out" on an "original" tractor. Not sure what you have but can't you get replacements new or used? Personally, I would get one of those sleave kits. You would be the only one who knew!

ll



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Gerald J.

11-07-2007 15:43:47




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:33:26  
Don't quite seat the seal in its mounting. That way the seal edge can ride on unworn shaft.

Gerald J.



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Big Hunter

11-07-2007 15:48:29




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Gerald J., 11-07-2007 15:43:47  
ding dang it why didn't I think of that. I'll have to see if that is possible with the way it all goes together. sure would be the cheapest solution.



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Gerald J.

11-07-2007 21:20:38




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:48:29  
Did that on the damper pulley of a '54 Ford engine about 1961. First I put in a new seal then watch oil bubble through from the wear on the damper pulley hub. Used a lot of black permatex in the seal hole in the front timing cover on the engine and stopped pushing with maybe 3/32" or 1/8" left. That engine front stayed dry for the next 4 years.

The narrower seals and the spacing washers ought to work too. Anything to move where the seal rides on the shaft.

Baum Hydraulics (www.baumhydraulic.com) has a wide selection of seals from two or three makers and in their printed catalog lists their dimensions. But any good bearing store will also have a good selection of seals.

Gerald J.

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Hobo,NC

11-07-2007 19:05:09




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:48:29  
2 make it even EZ'er cut a spacer/washer out of a 5 gal. plastic bucket install the spacer then drive the seal in on top of it, this will insure that the seal does not go back in its original place. If you are good enuff you can cut it a little big I.D. and it will shield/seal bout as good as a seal. I like the spray weld 2 but a poor boy has got 2 do what he has 2.



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Janicholson

11-07-2007 16:35:38




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:48:29  
Getting two seals that are some what thinner than the original (Motion Industries)will also work placing the lip out of the groove, and looking pretty darned stock with twice the sealing power. Put synthetic grease between the seals when installing to prevent the outer one from running dry. It is the berries. JimN



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RobMD

11-07-2007 15:50:20




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to Big Hunter, 11-07-2007 15:48:29  
yup, you can do that if there's room. usually, there is. if so, just take a piece of real slick crocus cloth and polish up the ride area.



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Big Hunter

11-07-2007 23:20:50




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 Re: groove in axle from oil seal in reply to RobMD, 11-07-2007 15:50:20  
thanks everybody for the help



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