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losthismind

10-21-2007 11:44:48




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purchased a 350 pound calf 2 weeks ago shes kicked me 5 times now sent me to the er lastnite. is there a way to break her .




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Clint Youse MO

10-22-2007 18:32:56




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
I would have bet on the Angus thing to or Chianina



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Tradititonal Farmer

10-21-2007 23:06:37




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
Must be a slow learner, on a farm you don't walk behind young calves,horses and manure spreaders



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ggg7lazy77

10-21-2007 19:22:47




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
I don't want them if they DON'T kick around my place. But I guess when you're raising bucking bulls, they better have a little kick in em. I won't be standing behind them though!



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4010guy

10-21-2007 18:57:11




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
LOL, Its a black Angus isn't it????? ?????



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losthismind

10-22-2007 05:38:32




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to 4010guy, 10-21-2007 18:57:11  
nope red angus



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4010guy

10-22-2007 08:46:17




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-22-2007 05:38:32  
OOOPS I was wrong again-----Close but wrong LOL,,,Id been totally shocked if you had said Hereford. :o)-----Red and black Angus are darn good cattle tho. I like them both. The Angus finish good on feed but the Hereford finish good on pasture.



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BigMarv1085

10-21-2007 17:15:11




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
My dad got kicked by a milk cow once and got a hold of her with a 2 x 4. She showed him respect after that.



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Clint Youse MO

10-21-2007 17:13:01




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
It will depend on what you are trying to do with it we show a lot of cattle some will kick some will not ussually all kick at least once it is the instinct to protect themselves. Not knowing the exact circumstances it is hard to say if you are trying to treat it wiht out a chute get a gate set up in a corner and put calf behind the gate hold gate there let calf get used to you. I have been kicked several time either stay as close as possible to the calf or out of hoof reach is best. If you work around animals you are bound to get kicked or bitten someday. Never approach the calf from the blind spot. sometimes they are just kickers no reason.

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Davis In SC

10-21-2007 19:38:12




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to Clint Youse MO, 10-21-2007 17:13:01  
Clint is right.. We are not talking about raising lap dogs or house cats.. Cattle are basically wild animals, and should be treated & respected as such.. Yes, dairy cows need to learn a few good manners...



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T_Bone

10-21-2007 14:49:19




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
Any animal has the potenial to kick/bite at any time and for no reason at all.

I talked to a buddy one time about doctoring horses without hobbling them first. He says you just need to learn how to handle animals.

He died 6mths latter from a kick to the head. Crushed his skull with one kick.

I just had to put down a dog I had for 3yrs. He liked killing ducks, chickens and cats but I never could catch him to make sure it was him until his last cat kill.

His latest trait was sneaking up and nipping people on the butt. I just couldn't take the chance he'd bite a child one day.

T_Bone

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Walter r. Davies

10-21-2007 13:43:01




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
Try Hobbles grampa had several cows that like to kick the milk bucket over while he was stripping them. Put the hobbles on and Viola.
Walt



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Allan In NE

10-21-2007 13:31:10




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
Yep,

Time and the animal’s acquired familiarity to you.

That "kick", along with flight, is the calf's defense and you're "tripping" it somehow by your actions. The calf feels “threatened”.

Allan



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Bob

10-21-2007 13:38:06




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 TV show IDEA... in reply to Allan In NE, 10-21-2007 13:31:10  
Dr. Allan, BOVINE pschiatrist!!!



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poogie

10-21-2007 17:05:24




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 Re: TV show IDEA... in reply to Bob, 10-21-2007 13:38:06  
Knew he was BOVINE SCATOLOGIST



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Allan In NE

10-21-2007 14:37:00




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 Re: TV show IDEA... in reply to Bob, 10-21-2007 13:38:06  
Yeah,

Obviously, I've been kicked in the head one too many times. :>)

Allan



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old art

10-21-2007 18:46:17




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 Re: TV show IDEA... in reply to Allan In NE, 10-21-2007 14:37:00  
dident you have a horse get your attension last year did he get over it



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rrlund

10-21-2007 13:12:49




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
How much do you know about cow psychology? Such as blind spot,pivot point,flight path etc. Watch yourself. When I was younger Dad used to tell of somebody who was killed from being kicked by a calf. Seems a blood clot set in,went to his heart.



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Aaron Ford

10-21-2007 13:10:29




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
Watched our dairy cow kick my old man once. He was directly beside her back leg and she kicked straight out to the side. It looked like some Bruce Lee move. I had always been told that they cannot kick in any direction but forward, ut we all learned a new one that day. I think this one did it cause she knew she could get away with it. Tons of milk, beautiful calves every year, meaner than snot.

Aaron

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730virgil

10-21-2007 18:18:36




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to Aaron Ford, 10-21-2007 13:10:29  
when i was just a lad my dad miked cows for my grandpa. when a new hiefer was added to milking string he would work with them for awhile. if they didn't start to come around he would educate them. if he hurt they hurt. they usually got the idea real quick. however we had 1 idiot that would act up for no reason. once she kicked dad on end of nose. he kicked her on the end of the nose. he then said there you sob how do you like that? the next day she was gone as she couldn't be trusted.

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Nebraska Cowman

10-21-2007 12:52:35




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
She is kicking because she feels trapped and afraid. She feels you are in her space. Stay back a little until she gets used to you and her new surroundings. Honey catches more flys than vinegar. Treat her with love and she will come around soon enough.



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kyhayman

10-21-2007 12:14:22




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
Need a litle more info here about whats happening. Particularly why you have to get that close to her. Is it a show calf you are trying to break to lead? Otherwise just stay out of range unless you have to treat her for illness or injury. In that case, I'd suggest applying a lot of restraints to her. Squeeze chute works best but it can be done with rope if necessary.

Its far easier to change what we do than change what an animal does. Not saying it cant be done but its a LOT easier. Best way to prevent injury is to get close, touching close. The closer you are the less force behind the kick. I know it defies human nature but it works. If you have to handle her that much then stay real close.

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JD9295

10-21-2007 12:13:01




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
if you have to be close to her get right beside her and she cant kick you.
tieing up a front foot or back foot will help to.



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Joe in the snow

10-21-2007 11:55:51




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 11:44:48  
You didn't learn the first time? Why are you standing behind her within reach of that hoof? If you have to control a kicking animal,secure it in a stanchion or headgate and put a rope around front ankle,lift foot off ground and tie to something above. Can't kick when standing on 3 legs. Protect yourself. Don't give them a free shot at you because they will take it.



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losthismind

10-21-2007 12:03:53




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to Joe in the snow, 10-21-2007 11:55:51  
neither time was i behind her of to the side of her



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Verniee

10-21-2007 13:01:34




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to losthismind, 10-21-2007 12:03:53  
Do you know what we call an animal like that around here?


Dinner.



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bigdaddy

10-21-2007 14:49:34




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 Re: ot. kicking calf in reply to Verniee, 10-21-2007 13:01:34  
an old timer once told me to fill a spray bottle with water and amonia and shoot it in the face, it'll stop them from being agressive twards you.


i dont think i will try it with my cows, especially a calf but what the heck



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