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is kerosene same as distillate?

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gdtractor

09-16-2007 06:26:41




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Someone mentioned to me that all Oil Pulls used "kerosene" -- is is kerosene same as distillate?

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Gary




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BillinCentralMO

09-16-2007 13:56:16




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to gdtractor, 09-16-2007 06:26:41  
Kerosene is a distillate but not the distillate he's referring to. Distillate in the 30's was much less refined and oilier and dirtier than any kerosene. As for the post that says ,"wouldn't it be , "nice" to burn distillate ...." I understand its "nice" if you like changing your oil and plugs alot and constantly fighting to clean out the high sulpur residue left everywhere by the low quality fuel. Also if you like hard starts , alot of carbuerator issues and much less power then distillate is what you need .Yeah its nostalgic , and you can do it , but I think I'll stick with gas or kerosene in my treasured old antique tractors. Just my approach to it.

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Walt Davies

09-16-2007 12:17:23




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to gdtractor, 09-16-2007 06:26:41  
I wouldn't want to burn crude oil in any tractor its not to safe as it has lots of explosive vapors. I spent 4 years in the Navy we used crude to heat the boilers it was not safe to be around when loading it on the ship. also we had to heat it before injecting it into the burner where it was sprayed under high pressure into a fan of air that created quite a blast of hot oil and air. Every day we had to Blow the tubes to clean the carbon off of them made an awful mess on the ship. Reminded me of living in a Train town in the early 50s and all those cinders from the steam trains.
Walt

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Coloken

09-16-2007 10:25:34




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to gdtractor, 09-16-2007 06:26:41  
No! At least not when I was a kid and used kerosene lamps. Kerosene was lighter and burned cleaner. What they called distillate was heavier and oilier. Burned with more smoke in a lamp, but some people used it there. More like stove oil. Kerosene was clear. Think you can buy it in stores as lamp oil (with perfume even).



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Bus Driver

09-16-2007 09:32:30




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to gdtractor, 09-16-2007 06:26:41  
During WWII, we used the kerosene of that era in a 1939 John Deere. Today's K-1 will be fine in any all-fuel tractor, no additives needed.



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john in la

09-16-2007 08:49:35




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to gdtractor, 09-16-2007 06:26:41  
Yes kerosene is a distillate. If you live up north you use it ever winter because truck stops mix it with diesel to keep the fuel from jelling.

If you really get down to it kerosene is more like jet fuel than it is diesel. It is refined a LOT cleaner than diesel and is often used as jet fuel.



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John T

09-16-2007 08:06:37




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to gdtractor, 09-16-2007 06:26:41  
Looks like I'm in my friend Gerald's camp pretty much on this one. I always kinda figured "kerosene" as the closest currently refined fuel similar to the old "distillate" or so called "drip fuel". HOWEVER I also think Kerosene is higher refined and cleaner then the distillates of the thirties which was sort of the left over "bottom of the barell" remnant by product of other higher refined fuels produced then n was one reason it was so cheap.

It, like todays kerosene, is lower octane requiring fairly low compression engines to avoid pre ignition spark knocking plus the manifolds n temp had to be kept HOT to keep the fuel/air mixture in the vapor state or the kerosene would condense out.

John T NOT a fuel man but have read n heard this before

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Gerald J.

09-16-2007 07:54:54




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to gdtractor, 09-16-2007 06:26:41  
Kerosene is A distillate of crude oil. I think kerosene is a great deal cleaner and cleaner burning than distillate. As far as I can tell, the distillate used in farm tractors in the '20s and '30s is not a product made in modern refineries.

At Forest City on Friday I heard an old timer owner of vintage tractors proclaim that Oil Pulls were originally guaranteed to burn any available liquid fuel from crude to gasoline. I'd think that without a heated fuel system one would want to avoid tar based crude or what is called "residual."

Today, kerosene or diesel are probably the closest approximations to that vintage distillate available. It may be that adding some oil to one of those will approximate distillate better. I'm sure there were some specifications for distillate published back then.

Gerald J.

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mark

09-16-2007 08:06:19




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to Gerald J., 09-16-2007 07:54:54  
I have a neighbor who has a capped oil well on his farm. On top of the cap is a big pressure gauge and a valve. I guess the gauge is for gas pressure. Anyway, ever so often, he'll crack that valve and blow oil and gas off and lower the pressure. I told him that I'd be using that free fuel one way or another..like in a waste oil heater. He told me that crude oil burns like gasoline....as they will use it to light off brush piles and such. Must be some good stuff! Anyway..... .wouldn't it be nice to have a tractor and vehicle that would burn crude! Sometimes, I think technology goes backwards.

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Gerald J.

09-16-2007 11:44:50




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to mark, 09-16-2007 08:06:19  
Well, crude has gasoline's components in it. As well as tar, kerosene, diesel fuel, naptha and a whole gang of products that are separated by fractional distillation and then some get mixed together to make the products like the various grades of gasoline and diesel fuel.

Gerald J.



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John T

09-16-2007 08:08:44




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 Re: is kerosene same as distillate? in reply to mark, 09-16-2007 08:06:19  
Use of it would likely belch soot n carbon all over the place n the tree huggers would have you arrersted !!!!! !!!!! !!!!

John T



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