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Fill me in on Italian Rye Grass

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Paker_backer

09-07-2007 16:39:13




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I have heard italian rye grass grows really fast and tall But its a one year crop?? Is this a good pasture grass?? Do you drill or broadcast it??




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gene bender

09-08-2007 03:53:23




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 Re: Fill me in on Italian Rye Grass in reply to Paker_backer, 09-07-2007 16:39:13  
I would check with local dealer and he would have the correct answer. Soil prep,condition,type,drainage and more enter as to which types of grass will do well for you in your area.



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paul

09-07-2007 22:36:08




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 Re: Fill me in on Italian Rye Grass in reply to Paker_backer, 09-07-2007 16:39:13  
I tried interseeding it into thin alfalfa for 2 years now. Two of the driest years in the past 30 years.... So, the alfalfa took all the water, no grass.

_Wish_ I had some experience with it! :) Not the grass' fault it couldn't grow.

--->Paul



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RodInNS

09-07-2007 19:48:30




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 Re: Fill me in on Italian Rye Grass in reply to Paker_backer, 09-07-2007 16:39:13  
There are as many varieties of annual ryegrass as I have fingers and toes...
There are a few that are suitable for pasture. Those would be the diploid and tetraploid italian varities. Maris Ledger and Fabio are common around this area, as was Ajax at one time. Ajax gave us our best experiences. We've grown it strictly for pasture, and strictly as an annual. We never try to over winter it. Generally it will survive the winter, but it's first year is it's production year and the second year is it's reproduction year where it shoots a seed head. When it does that you may as well feed bullrushes to the cows... These are low growing varities, but they are very lush feed, produce a good tonnage and regrow very well with some moisture... but they're not really practical for mechanical harvesting. Let the cows get it themselves.

There are a multitude of other varities that grow more upright that you could harvest for hay/silage, but I have no real experience with them. I think David mostly filled in that bit anyway.
I will say that this is likely our last year with the annual ryegrass too. It's gotten to be too much work for us to plant every year, we had a poor germination this year, and we've had two years now out of ten where it bolted and set seed under some stress... so it's gotten to be a somewhat costly and unpredictable crop. I think we'll go with a preannual ryegrass and Huia white clover next spring, perhaps with a bit of annual mixed in for the first year. I don't see that we've got much to lose that way even if it does winter kill...

Rod

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David in Wales

09-07-2007 18:50:40




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 Re: Fill me in on Italian Rye Grass in reply to Paker_backer, 09-07-2007 16:39:13  
Over in England Italian Ryegrass is looked upon a 1 year crop but will do a 2nd year. Most farmers here will automatically sow a seed mixture which also contains 2.5 or 3 pounds (weight) of White Clover in with the mixture which adds to the digestability of the silage/hay crop.
IRG here will usually give 2 cuts of silage or 1 cut silage plus 2nd cut for hay - but remember that England has high rainfall. So in drier cliamtes it may not establish well or suffer from drought in the growing season.
Traditionally farmers sowed their grass seed at the same time as they planted their spring sown grain (extra seed box on grain drill). Nowadays farmers tend to plough and plant grass seed in September when the ground is warm and the winter rains will encourage growth. A fine seed bed is esential, and dont plant too deep. Here most farmers would broadcast the grass seed and harrow it in. Also the seedbed needs to be firm, so roll the soil.

A higher sed rate will also produce more plants, I know from experience that 35 pounds weight per acre is a good mixture (inc 3 pounds White Clover) and will produce a good crop. Check out with your local seeds merchant the best varieties for your area based on his seed/yield book which in England is published by the Plant Breeding stations who have to give accurate information. Do you have in your area an unbiased crops advisory body.
Over here the main use of IRG is as a 1 year crop or when used in a general mixture of Ryegrass' & clover which would be left down for several years, the IRG produces yields in the 1st year. Then the longer lasting Perenial Ryegrass's will kick in to provide the bulk of the crop.
Hope this gives you some more information. Look up IRG and grass seeds on Google, maybe there is more information about the crop in your part of the World available in the internet.
David

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grazer

09-07-2007 18:07:51




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 Re: Fill me in on Italian Rye Grass in reply to Paker_backer, 09-07-2007 16:39:13  
I have used this grass as a cover crop in direct seeding and also planted it with my alalfa every year since.It is great if you bale because it helps in dry down.Makes wonderful pasture as it grows well into the fall.As far as lasting it can live and winter kill just like all of the hay but I will keep planting it.



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rrlund

09-07-2007 16:53:40




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 Re: Fill me in on Italian Rye Grass in reply to Paker_backer, 09-07-2007 16:39:13  
Hope somebody with more experience than I have will tell us both. I planted some here in Michigan last september after I chopped the corn for silage. Drilled it in. The seed is kind of light for broadcasting. It greened up,but didn't get much size. Well,I took a pretty good first cutting of hay from it early this june,no fence around it to pasture it. It was pitifully dry here most of the summer,so I waited to cut the second cutting until way after it went to seed.The third cutting never came on.The roots died. You could pull the dry stems and the roots were just gone. The seed fell off when I cut and raked it. I thought after we got a few little rains,it would sprout,but didn't. So,I hauled a LOT of manure on the field,then disced it in a few days later after a couple of inches of rain. This was later part of august. In three days that stuff was thicker than hair on a dog. I've been going to post about it and ask if I should cut it this fall if it gets tall enough,or if that would hurt the stand and risk winter kill so I won't have it to cut next year?

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