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Bit of a conundrum

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Don-Wi

09-06-2007 00:26:11




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I was working outside today before going to work, when my old boss calls me up and asks if I might be willing to come back to work with them.

I left there a little over a year ago after needing a second shift job so I could finish school, no burnt bridges. Just a handshake, good luck, and we'll keep in contact.

I stopped in every now & then, needing a sprocket or another part here & there, sometimes just to shoot the breeze with them.

I like where I work, but if I had to deal with the 1st shift at the place I'm at now, I'd probably quit real soon. Second is nice & quiet, 5-6 guys, and the whole shop to ourselves, no management. My supervisor is great, so I'm keeping him in the loop. (he won't tell anyone, he hates the 1st shift managment too)

The downside of second shift is not being home for supper (leftovers every day just ain't the same) and not seeing my fiance a whole lot.

The other shop I used to work at is just 5-6 guys, 1 shift, and it was my first and only other job. Great bunch of guys to deal with, plus I can use any machine I want for my own projects. I have that same benifit at my current job, but I can never get on the lathe, and theres just a bunch more red tape to go through.

I really like second shift and the guys I work with everyday, but I'm very strongly considering going back. I told my old boss to make me an offer and I'd think it over. he'll probably get back to me tomorrow, and then we'll have to start talking it over.

If the deal is sweet enough, I'll probably go, but this is still gonna keep my head spinning for a good while yet... The next few months are gonna be a bit interesting to see how it all pans out...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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09-06-2007 18:37:28




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
It's really tough. I'm in a similar situation. I left a job after 2 1/2 weeks because of the foreman being on my case for no good reason. It was only because all the bosses had left and he was intimidated by me. They had told me they wanted me to be foreman. I got a new job now but when I went to see about my cheque from the one I left, they were so happy to see me. They couldn't find my phone number. They still want me to be foreman and the only reason they still have the current foreman is because he has a one year contract. He is gone at the end of the month. I like my new job and the guys are great but the old job could be an opportunity that I'll probably never get again. Everyone working there was really sad to see me leave and the owners were impressed with my work and personality. I have a meeting with them on Monday to see just what they can offer me. They are a new company with huge potential as they have the patents for an environmentally friendly oil clean up unit for drilling sites or anywhere soil is contaminated. They currently have over 100 units to build and figure that's at least 10 years work with more interest coming as more units can be seen in operation. Sure would be nice to be psychic. You're never really sure of the best decision when both have advantages over the other. I guess in a way it's a similar situation for us. Both former employers were really happy with our work and want us back. That's a good thing and should allow for some negotiating. On the other hand the current employer seems pretty good so far and are more established. If I decide to leave I want to do it on the best terms possible. They did give me a good job after all. In a way I'm glad I'm not the only one going through this. Let us know your decision and what decided it. I could use some advice too. Dave

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Paul from MI

09-06-2007 15:03:07




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
What's happening with the schooling that caused you to change in the first place? Education should take precedence--it's forever! I know, I left a woman who wouldn't wait for me to finish college--wanted to get amrried right away. Met one ten times better later on who valued education the same as I do. 42 years and three kids later we're still going strong. You have to decide what your priorities in life are going to be, then don't look back. Hope this helps, by the way she was from town but learned to love farming as I do.
Paul

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Don-Wi

09-06-2007 23:02:27




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Paul from MI, 09-06-2007 15:03:07  
I finshed school, and got my associates after 4 years. It was a 2 year program that I did part-time around work.

Getting married next May so I'm starting a new chapter in my life. So far I'm stuck on the fence, but I gotta see what they offer before I can really go much farther. If it's good but not great, I may have to stay where I'm at. Still very unsure about what to do.

My brother went through a similar decision a couple months back. A company he worked for wanted him back, and offered hima pretty nice benifits package. It was a hard decision for him, but he ended up taking them up on the offer. I think he got a pretty good size raise along with the benefits.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Paul from MI

09-07-2007 14:21:06




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 23:02:27  
Congrats on the degree. Whatever you decide, you're thinking about it and analyzing it from different angles. Can't get any better than that.
Paul



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john *.?-!.* cub owner

09-06-2007 10:08:51




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to JD9295, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
I can't tell you what to do, only mention things to think about. The main one is benefits. Since the shop you are now working in is apparently bigger does it have benefits comparable to the smaller one, if any. Since you mention fiance, , I assume you are considering marriage and possibly a family. At that point in time benefits become a big issue.



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MF Poor

09-06-2007 09:49:33




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
From reading your post, I have a feeling you've already decided which job you'd rather have. It's just the change in shifts part that has you thinking.

If your first boss wants you back, that sounds like he was more than happy with your performance and was sorry he let you get away. Good chance he'll pony up this time around and do what it takes to keep you there.

Shift preference is a personal thing. Myself, I always prefered 1st shift. You mentioned a fiance. Unless she's on second shift also, that's a difficult way to go through what will be one of the biggest life-changing events you'll ever make, getting married. From experience, you DON'T want her at home wishing she had more time with you. Women are funny that way. They marry someone because they want to spend time with them.

A job is a job. Most of us never do get to the point where we look forward to getting up every day just to go punch the clock. It's what sort of life away from the shop a job allows that's important. Think about that when making your pick.

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Don-Wi

09-07-2007 23:46:43




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to MF Poor, 09-06-2007 09:49:33  
Some guys wanna punch the clock- others just wanna shoot it.

kinda going back & forth yet, but now I'm thinking better opportunities are at my current job. Still waiting for an offer, but I found out that the guy that started the week after I quit, was given an unsolicited job offer at a competitors shop, so he took it.

I just don't think he's all that smart or good at what he'd be doing at the other shop, as they have a completely different way of doing business and they really push hard there. No school past high school either, graduated from there in '06, and has a 1 1/2-2 yr old kid because he couldn't keep his pants up to save his life.

I do like the 3 day weekends. Gives me lots of time to do the farming, and Fridays i use to fix stuff and get it ready so when dad has the weekend off, we can both go at it and get stuff done.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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09-06-2007 07:55:43




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
If there is a slow down at the new job,guess who will be let go of first. I have worked all three three shifts, and the day always has more politics, and people trying to act important. That is why I have alwys liked the night shift, because you have the day to your self, you do mess some family time though. You will need to make this decision based on what you already know about both jobs. Stan

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TomTex

09-06-2007 06:25:40




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
How about long term. Whick job has the best overall training/experience for your future? Which job has the best medical coverage? Did you finish up school? Which employer has the best chance of long term stability? Tom



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Don-Wi

09-06-2007 09:05:52




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to TomTex, 09-06-2007 06:25:40  
Long term, I know the old job will be there for a long time yet. They are a shop that's been around forever, with a pretty solid customer base. Insurance is basically a wash. Neither one is all that great but I think my former job had a smaller deductable, and nothing came out of my check (not very common these days)

For overall training, The former job is a little less mainstream. I think I'd be the only one there with any formal training. I'm sure I would be doing a little bit of everything again, just like I was before hand. That part I like, but at the same time I'm kinda worried about what I might forget about the machines I run now and hurt my chances in the future for a better job if something doesn't pan out.

As far as the atmosphere, the former shop is almost like working with a second shift crew. Very easy going, and farmer friendly.

Gonna be a hard decision, maybe I'll have to work there part time if I can and see how that would go. Trouble is, now is the busy part of the year on the farm.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Billy NY

09-06-2007 06:20:03




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
Is school out of the picture now ? I did the 3:30-12:00 shift as a teamster when in school, 2nd shift foreman at 19, was a rough week with a full credit load each semester, + that 2nd shift with mandatory overtime. Tired was just the beginning of it, was glad to be done with it.


Job advice would be to negotiate the best deal for you all around, salary, shift, work conditions and culture of the people you work with. There is nothing worse than going to a job you hate every day. I would play it by ear, see what kind of offer you can get, find a way to put it in laymans terms about the quiet'er 2nd shift without all the managment around, most 2nd shifts are like that except in larger operations where there must be a management presence, I agree, it makes the work environment more relaxed, less stress in many situations, you come in, do your work, go home, no B.S.

Day shift would be nice no doubt, see what the offer is, and in some articulate way, get the point across about the environment of the 2nd shift being favorable, yet everyone is productive and gets the work done, it is a good point and quite true, but some may interpret that to be the shift that goofs off more if you know what I mean, not about goofing, it's about management not in your face all the time and people left alone to do their work with the B.S.

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Spook

09-06-2007 05:29:47




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
Sounds like you have handled the situation very well so far. Day shift is better. But you know that :) Good luck!



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Blackhole49

09-06-2007 04:44:29




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
Have you finished school? If so, will a day job effect the farming you seem to like so much? Just a couple of things to consider.



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09-06-2007 02:05:03




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 Re: Bit of a conundrum in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:26:11  
You asked for thoughts and here are mine. I worked a good paying job , 3-11 from 86 to 98 before they changed us to 11-7 and 2yrs later finally got to days. 3-11 is for people that do not have families or kids. That 12 years was when my kids were in school, no single day vacation, had to plan what vacation I had so I could get to some of 3 kids activities. I liked working 2nd, but if you got family, it sucks!! 11-7, if you can sleep in the daytime, it is alright. I couldn't. I'd be so tired I could barely make it home and pull into the driveway and be wide awake. If I went in and tried to go to bed, I would lay there with my eyes closed but the rest of me awake thinking of all that I had to do outside, then get up and go out till I knew I had to get some sleep. If lucky, I could get to sleep by 2 or 3 pm, but usually was more like 4-5pm and then get up at 9- 9:30 to see family and eat. ALWAYS tired, Couldn't adjust from days to nights for weekend and then go back to nights thru the week. BUT I did get to go to all of the last 2 kids games for the last couple of years in HS. No doubt in my mind, if the pay is anywhere close, I'd be on days. Hope you can make the right decision for you, I'm sure you will get lots of input on this. Chris

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