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Doug N

09-02-2007 13:13:21




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I think some of you took my earlier post of "Farmall MD VS Oliver 77" the wrong way. It was not a test or to put any tractor brand down. H*ll, we have JD, Farmall, and Oliver. And I love them all.

I was trying to find out why the Oliver was digging itself in and not plowing. I know that the 77 is more than capable of this 3 bottom plow. I also know that the Oliver has a slight disadvantage because of skinnier rubber. BUT..... I didn't think it would be that much of a difference. Our 77 has pulled this plow many times before. I also spent much of the day adjusting the plow to trail right, and try to get it as level as I could. For the most part I can adjust a trailer plow to work good, but I'm still green with trailer plows. For every adjustment, there is a reaction. I have alot to learn about using them.

I know that there is many variables in plowing, I was just trying to get some info that maybe I was overlooking. For me to post everything I adjusted or tried would have made for a LONG post. How high the drawbar is, drawbar offset, depth of plow, etc, all makes a difference. All I was looking to get out of my post was some helpful hints on how to set it up. Like what works better, high or low drawbar, and things like that.

Sorry if I came across as making it a test of unfairness. I just wanted some help seting it up. I just tried to give the basic info on each tractor. Thanks, Doug

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Bob Kerr

09-03-2007 16:50:43




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 13:13:21  
I thought it got over board also Doug. I know a way to check your wheel weights from the MD to the ollie. Take a large oak plank and put an OLD bathroom scale on the outside end of it. You might need a long plank like 8 ft or longer to keep from smashing the scale, drive the tractor over the plank on the opposite end and have someone look at the dial. then drive the other tractor over it in the same spot. Don"t worry about what the dial says being accurate, just compare the weights you get. That will tell you if the ollie is light in the rear.

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Doug N

09-05-2007 00:58:04




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Bob Kerr, 09-03-2007 16:50:43  
That's a good idea Bob, Thanks.



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paul

09-02-2007 20:36:53




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 13:13:21  
Dad's Ollie 88 row crop pulled a 3-16 trailer plow all day long.

My (formerly dad's, formerly unkle's) Super 77 never, ever would handle a 3-16 here in my soil.

Got red & grey & blue tractors as well, with a different color combine yet. Didn't see your other post, but color war type messages go over like lead balloons around here.

Good luck with setting up the plow, 'here' I'd need to drop a bottom for any hope to make it work.

--->Paul

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Doug N

09-03-2007 04:02:50




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to paul, 09-02-2007 20:36:53  
Yeah paul, It depends on location too. I'm in southeast PA, and you can plow with 3 at some spots, but go up the road and you can only drag 2. Real touchy here.

There was no color war, some thought it was though. Doug N



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Kirk Grau

09-03-2007 06:28:12




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-03-2007 04:02:50  
Hey Doug, Where in SE PA are you. I am a little East of Gettysburg (probably more South Central.)

Kirk



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Doug N

09-03-2007 10:46:02




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Kirk Grau, 09-03-2007 06:28:12  
Hi Kirk, I'm about 30 minutes south of Allentown, in a towm famous for it's meats, Hatfield. Doug N



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havvey

09-02-2007 16:52:32




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 13:13:21  
doug I think it is ajustments and a weight/tire issue. The super MD was closer to an 88/880 in my book. We ran into this long go tried towing a trailer plow with an allis it failed but would keep up with the deere with its own mounted plow. An oliver always seemed to pull better with lots of weight. But if you want to cure your problem look for a MOLINE670 5 star etc!!!



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Hugh MacKay

09-02-2007 14:41:34




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 13:13:21  
Doug: I did think you were coming across as running on the Oliver a bit. However, I have also appologized for coming across as sounding as though you shouldn't post. I'm a dyed in the wool Farmall man but I also have a lot of respect for those 6 cylinder row crops of the 40s and 50s. I bought one new, Farmall 560D, all be it mine was a 63, however production did start in 58. Why did Farmall come with the 460 and 560? Oliver and Cockshutt were smokin em, Deere was still pushin two bangers.

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Doug N

09-02-2007 15:01:53




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-02-2007 14:41:34  
Hugh, no need to appoligize. I just couldn't figure out why I was getting torn into, when all I wanted was some tips. It's gotta be the Penna Dutch in me that makes me word things the way I do.

I read my post over and over, and can see that it does kind of look like an Oliver bash. Like I said, I didn't mean it that way. I've plowed with that tractor before with that plow and I was a little stumped.

I love Farmalls too, but there's just something about the Olivers, and dare I say it, the John deeres that I like. In my mind they are all good until it's time to work on them, LOL. Doug N

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Hugh MacKay

09-02-2007 16:12:09




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 15:01:53  
Doug: I like that, "In my mind they are all good until it's time to work on them." I'm an old fart, thus I play around with little ones these days, (SA, 130 and 140) parts are lighter.

Some time ago I striped the distributor drive gears in my 130. When it happened in winter I just pulled the complete distributor off SA. Grass time came and I needed SA for mowing, thus I parked the 130 in April with No.1 at TDC on compression. Picked up a used set of gears over the summer, thus installation day happened last week. Got her all together, no starter action, no gas and poor spark. Off to CaseIH I go, as I went out the door, noticed that damn SA carb was leaking again. At CaseIH I picked up carb kits for each, a few points, condencers, rotors, starter switch, some oil filters, etc. Basically my years supply, I always like to keep a few of these on hand.

Right away the 130 cranks like hell, gas is coming, spark is intermitent. Drove down to a neighbors, told him I wanted him to tell me whether I was stupid or just missing something. Back we both come and 130 fired right up. Must have been the neighbor's presence. Not really, it still flutters a bit, doesn't always fire up quick, I've decided it's distributor cap.

Yes, I agree they can be annoying, if you have to work on them. By the way, I like to know how the MD and 77 compare on a hard road pull. Be FAIR, hahaha.

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Doug N

09-02-2007 16:40:22




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-02-2007 16:12:09  
That's why I say "only one tractor will never keep one man busy." I agree, there is always something going wrong. My hands are full right now. I've had the Ollie 60 running good all summer, now shut off switch is bad. It only runs with a jumper wire from battery to coil. I'm going to eliminate most ignition problems on the 60. We have a mag for it and just had it redone, so I'm going to throw that in. The MD's lift pump isn't quite up to snuff, fuel pressure isn't quite what it should be. The 77 is giving me fits, just when I think I've fixed it, it acts up. The JD A needs the mag done on it, won't start by hand, but fires up immediately when just pulled about 5 feet. Impulse in the mag is what I think. The only one that doesn't need work is the JD 1050, and that's not even a Deere, it's a Yanmar. It's all fun though, I wouldn't have it any other way.

"Right away the 130 cranks like hell, gas is coming, spark is intermitent. Drove down to a neighbors, told him I wanted him to tell me whether I was stupid or just missing something. Back we both come and 130 fired right up. Must have been the neighbor's presence. Not really, it still flutters a bit, doesn't always fire up quick, I've decided it's distributor cap."

That's the way the 77 is, It's fine when the old man is around, but as soon as he leaves it dies.

"By the way, I like to know how the MD and 77 compare on a hard road pull. Be FAIR, hahaha."
That reminds me of when me and my brother, or me and my dad used to "Hook up" out on the hardpack. Two tractors back to back tied together with a chain. We didn't have the MD then, and the JD A usually stole the show. Boy did we have some holes dug. Sure was alot of fun though. I'm really suprised we never broke anything.

Doug N

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Hugh MacKay

09-02-2007 17:22:43




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 16:40:22  
Doug: Speaking of hooking tractors drawbar to drawbar, around 1960, my dad bought a lot of New Holland equipment, dealers wife was his neice. He also carried David brown tractors in those days. One day he landed at the farm with a David Brown 990, 16.9x30 tires and no weight or chloride. Dad baled hay with it and since the diesel was new to us he loved it. My brothers and I were afraid he was going to trade our old Cockshutt off for the David Brown.

While dad was away my brothers hooked the Farmall 130 with wheel weights and chloride tail to tail with the DB 990. On hard gravel road the 130 pulled the DB backwards. We knew one secret, dad only wanted tractors that had good drawbar pull for their size. That evening the DB dealer showed up, he, dad and I on the step. My brothers got the 130 and DB out again. Just as dealer got by small talk, got around to talking tractor, Frank and Doug went by 130 draging DB backwards. The dealer was a bit hostile about their doing this with his new demonstrator. Dad was gravely concerned about the ability of the DB. It went down the road next morning. Dad went back to baling with Farmall 300. Next new tractor became the 560D. We continued to buy NH hay and forage equipment, but DB's were never mentioned again.

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Doug N

09-03-2007 04:11:56




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-02-2007 17:22:43  
Great story Hugh. I liked that. One of the reasons I love this forum, stories from memories. Doug N



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Doug N

09-02-2007 16:50:45




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 16:40:22  
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Alot of people will say I'm nuts, but I go up to the old man's to work on these to relax. Crazy ain't it? We have 9 tractors all together. Not shown is '29 Farmall Regular, '37 Farmall F-12, '42 Farmall H, and a '36 JD unstyled A. Doug N



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georgeky

09-02-2007 16:55:40




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 16:50:45  
Nope, I spend all my free time other than computer time messing with old junk tractors. Sometimes I just drive them around and do nothing with them. Some I just work on. Some just sit here. Keeps me from doing other dumb stuff. Working on mowers and corn planters now.



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georgeky

09-02-2007 16:49:52




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 16:40:22  
Don't want nothing that is cheap, easy or handy.



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Doug N

09-02-2007 16:52:37




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to georgeky, 09-02-2007 16:49:52  
Ain't that the truth!!



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Lanse

09-02-2007 13:56:45




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Doug N, 09-02-2007 13:13:21  
I dont think anyone ment any harm, some of these guys just stub the toe on their wooden leg, and well, you know :)



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Doug N

09-02-2007 14:25:49




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 Re: Hold on a minute................ in reply to Lanse, 09-02-2007 13:56:45  
Yeah, some guys get bent out of shape over some stupid stuff. For the life of me I couldn't understand why RAB was tearin' into me until I got home this afternoon and read one of his replies to me. Then it hit me that these guys think I'm bashin oliver cause it couldn't keep up with the MD. I wasn't testing them, just lookin for some tips on set up and stuff. Oh well. Doug N



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