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banjo

08-10-2007 22:45:40




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I'm looking for some input on older tractors for runnin round baler. I would like to have a loader also, as it will serve other duties. Cab would be nice also but price is a factor.And distance to travel to get it.

something in the 80-100 hp. what is some of your favorites that has a good track record.




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low budget

08-11-2007 16:39:40




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to banjo, 08-10-2007 22:45:40  
You dont necessarily have to rule out Deere on price. I recently bought a 4020 with good tires, cab, dual remotes and M&W turbo for $7000. Been on the discbine all summer. Could go a little newer like a 4030 or 4230 for under 10 grand. Also have a Ford 7700 with good tires I bought for $5000, (clutch was stuck) That one is on the round baler. Local dealer had one last winter with a cab for $7500. My point is pick the tractor you like and then shop around as bit.

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kyhayman

08-11-2007 06:53:50




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to banjo, 08-10-2007 22:45:40  
If you look in the shed here you will see a pair of Ford 7600's, a pair of 7610's, and a 7710. Most I've got in any of them is 20K on one of the 7610's. Its a series II, 1991, with a loader cab heat and air. The 7710 is a 1984 model, cab heat and air and I got 14K in it. All the others gave less than 8K for. Depends on what you have in mind for 'older' and price range.



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mjbrown

08-11-2007 05:05:13




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to banjo, 08-10-2007 22:45:40  
Banjo, why don't you tell us what dealers are near you for parts and support, then we can narrow it down a bit more. If the nearest Massey dealer is a hundred miles away, Massey isn't a good choice. If one is two miles away..... you get my drift.



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banjo

08-11-2007 07:43:28




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to mjbrown, 08-11-2007 05:05:13  
probably the closet dealer is 50 miles away and is JD. Case dealer is just around 60 miles away. Not really sure about other brands as i have had no reason to look for parts for tractors i don't own.

Just thought i'd see what others found to work good in the hay field. Features, dislikes, likes.

I've never been around anything other than manual trannys and very few bells and whistles.



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Don-Wi

08-10-2007 23:54:42




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to banjo, 08-10-2007 22:45:40  
For that HP range, the Massey 285 would just about have to get my top vote. We've had one since the early 80's and it's been a real workhorse.

Second would be a 17-18-1950 or 55 series Oliver. We've got a 1855 w/ a ROPS and canopy on it which is better than a cab w/out AC in the summer, and for sure better than nothing over your head. They ussually go fairly cheap and have good power. We got our 1855 for $5500 with a recent overhaul, newer paint, and OK rubber. I got the canopy for another $350 (a real steal) 3 more slab wieghts ($105), duals ($300) and a few other extras here & there. I also just got a set of fuel tank fenders for it that I still need to mount, and the will triple the current fual capacity. (Don't need to, but I wanted a set of those fenders)

Either the 285 or 1855 runs our 14' Hesston 1014+2 hydro-swing haybine, but the 285 is our main haying tractor. It works very well with a round baler the couple times we've borrowed or rented one, but we've also run one with a 1755 we have (engine lost oil press later on with the plow) and it worked pretty good. I just don't like having to rev the engine so high compared to the 285 for the 540 PTO speed. (1750 rpm vs. 2000)

Either one can have 1000 RPM PTO, although it's considerably harder to find the shaft for the 285, and almost impossible. They turn up on a regular basis for the Olivers.

In my mind, a good Massey 285 will go for $8,000+, where you can purchase a good Oliver for around $5-6,000.

There are also White tractors. They bought out Oliver around 1960 or earlier and kept the name going until I beleive 76. Then the 55 series Oliver became White tractors. They had the 2-85 and 2-105 which would be in your HP range. They were the same basic rear end as the later Olivers, just a different engine and paint scheme.

A good White would probably go for around $8-10,000. The Whites had a few more cabs, but they were available on all of the models I listed, either aftermarket or factory or both.

I can't say much about the other brands because Massey and Oliver is what I was brought up on. I've been on a few IH's but they didn't impress me much. Same with Ford. JD is ok, but the price becomes an issue.

I would look around at what dealers are in your area, and which ones have better customer service and parts support. Olivers are still fairly easy to find parts for, but you need to know where to look. They are now owned by AGCO, but not all AGCO dealers are liscensed to sell Oliver/White parts. Find a dealer that used to sell White (they got taken out and replaced by AGCO brand) and they will be able to help you.

Massey is also owned by AGCO, but almost every AGCO dealer seems to be liscensed to sell MF.

Overall it's your decision. Do your homework and don't jump on the first tractor you see just because it's got new paint. Look it over really good and if your stuck, come on back and pick at our brains for a little while.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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banjo

08-11-2007 08:36:18




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to Don-Wi, 08-10-2007 23:54:42  
I'm not really fond of the massey hyd. sometimes you need about 9 hands to work the levers. just been around some of the older ones.



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Traditional Farmer

08-10-2007 23:38:45




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to banjo, 08-10-2007 22:45:40  
My favorite is the one I can find that runs and operates good and has a decent price attached to it.An Allis Chalmers 190XT is probably the slickest tractor to bale with that I have ever used with the smooth hand clutch that gives it LPTO it never has to be taken in and out of gear to stop and make a bale.Also a tractor like the 190 that you can put the PTO in and out of gear without clutching makes baling a lot easier.

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banjo

08-11-2007 08:34:37




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to Traditional Farmer, 08-10-2007 23:38:45  
didnt know you could put the pto in without the clutch on a 190. my ole 170 don't work that way.



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farmer boy

08-11-2007 05:18:20




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to Traditional Farmer, 08-10-2007 23:38:45  
Why do you have to take the pto out of gear while round baling. We roumd bale with an Allis Chalmers 185 w/cab and a 200 w/cab and the power director works great for that



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Traditional Farmer

08-11-2007 10:23:45




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to farmer boy, 08-11-2007 05:18:20  
With the baler I use the PTO has to be shut off when the door is raised to eject the bale.



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banjo

08-11-2007 00:38:04




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to Traditional Farmer, 08-10-2007 23:38:45  
There just doesnt seem to be any Allis around here. I have a 170 that i used with the disc mower.But it is getting quite a bit of wear on it as it is my main work tractor. switching impliments is getting old.

Was using a case 930 for baling but has poor brakes. Not my tractor,uncles. His health is not so good these days and going to have to get my own equipment.

The 190, what about kicking the bale out? don't you have to release the pto? were using a JD 430 baler.

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Rexalot

08-11-2007 16:51:01




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to banjo, 08-11-2007 00:38:04  
So spend $6K-$8K and get a 4020 JD.

If not a JD, then consider the cheaper alternative and comparable IH tractor's 806, 856, or maybe a 966.

Even cheaper yet is that other shade of green... and probably the best value for the money. I'm with Don on this.

Get an Oliver 1655D, 1755D, or 1850/55 or 1950/55.

I'm not partial to any. I wanted a 3020/4020 myself but, I couldn't afford to buy the JD logo. For my money I went with an Oliver 1800 to do my hay work. What a bargain. I've become a fan of the other green (Kept more green in my pocket!) I also have 2 IH's and a ford.

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banjo

08-12-2007 20:42:27




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 Re: stirrin the hornets nest in reply to Rexalot, 08-11-2007 16:51:01  
I'l keep lookin for one i think i'll be happy with. but you knever know till you start working it if it was a good buy or not.Thanks for your input.



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