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Tubeless tires on tube type rims

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Tim in NB

08-08-2007 16:53:20




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Would a tubeless tire stay mounted on a tube type rim if you use a tube? I was wondering if the bead is different between the two or if they are built totally different. The tire size is 11.2-24




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farmer boy

08-09-2007 20:00:25




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Tim in NB, 08-08-2007 16:53:20  
Can a tubeless hold calcuim? It is possible to put tube in a tubeless tire. Do it all the time when tires go flat. I heard a guy say once that the tubes in a big NH tractor spun in the tire due to alot of spinning of the tires n the road. Had to go tubeless after that.



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Tim in NB

08-09-2007 14:42:27




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Tim in NB, 08-08-2007 16:53:20  
Thanks very much for the information!



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ACEd

08-09-2007 05:48:41




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Tim in NB, 08-08-2007 16:53:20  
As said above, tires same except for inner liner (and tighter tolerance fit on beads to seal better) - some early tube type tires actually has vents in bead area to allow air between tire and tube to escape. Rims same if made since mid 50's unless riveted or otherwise made up. Newer rims same size & shape but generally better metallurgy to eliminate porosity. If you go back to 30's rear rims were slightly different geometry but newer tires work - just look odd.

Biggest problem with tubeless is prone to leak if rims are rough or rusty at bead or if there is rust in center at welds or if tire bead is damaged. Advantage to tubeless (car and truck tires primarily) is they generally do not go flat for common nail puncture and they are easier to mount. Big deal on car / truck tires is to use a special radial tube for radial tires as they flex different.

Secrets to mounting with a tube - put just a little air in tube to unfold it and stretch it out a bit - not enough to make it round - but remove valve core. Mount 1 side of tire, put tube in carefully to avoid pinching, mount top of tire carefully to avoid pinching, inflate, let air out being careful not to lose valve stem back into tire / rim hole - there is a $2 tool for this - this will let air between tire & tube escape, then reinflate.

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Don-Wi

08-08-2007 23:59:14




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Tim in NB, 08-08-2007 16:53:20  
Go to almost any farm in the entire world (espescially guys w/out lots of extra cash laying around) and I can guarantee you'll find more thgan one implement with tubless tires on with tubes in them.

Won't be a problem. Do it all the time here on every hay wagon we have.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Gerald J.

08-08-2007 18:49:20




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Tim in NB, 08-08-2007 16:53:20  
The rims are generally the same except the rim made for a tubless tire is made to hold air. Any welds are sealed so they aren't pourous. The tube should get along fine with the tubeless tire.

Gerald J.



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Bob

08-08-2007 18:20:32




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Tim in NB, 08-08-2007 16:53:20  
A tubeless SHOULD work on a rime that was made for tires with tubes, unless the rim is of the style that has rivets joining the rim to the "center".

If there are rivets, there's a chance air would leak past them overt time.



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iowa_tire_guy

08-08-2007 18:00:20




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Tim in NB, 08-08-2007 16:53:20  
The only difference between a tubeless and tube type tire is an extra step to apply an inner liner in the tubeless so the air won't go through the tire. Until that point they are the same. Many tractor rear tubeless tires have molded on the sidewall that they can be used with a tube.



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LenND

08-08-2007 17:21:26




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Tim in NB, 08-08-2007 16:53:20  
Most of my implements have tubeless radial tires with tubes in them. When I take a tire off to fix it or mount a different one I always put a tube in it. Never have to worry about a flat unless it is punctured. A lot of guys havr trouble with tubeless tires coming off the rim with a tube it wont happen.



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Joe(TX)

08-09-2007 09:16:00




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to LenND, 08-08-2007 17:21:26  
Since the main cause of a flat is a puncture, I can see no advantage to a tube. A tubless tire with a punture will stay up longer than a tube type. The usual way a tubless tire will come of the rim is if it is low on air. Th same will happen to a tube type tire and the tube will be cut up also.



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LenND

08-09-2007 17:37:10




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 Re: Tubeless tires on tube type rims in reply to Joe(TX), 08-09-2007 09:16:00  
I change up a tire out in a field one time with flat tubeless that has went flat from the bead coming off the rim and I am not stupid enough not to put a tubr in it. I don't like lifting up 30 to 40 foot cultivators out in the field. I ran farm machinery for 50 years and there is no way a tubeless can stand up to tire with a tube in un less it is a real heavy duty tire.



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