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old

08-07-2007 19:04:50




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Sure has been a very bad year for me this year. Fisrt off the ice storm and no power for 6-7 days and the tree limb in the roof. Also haveing problems with people and 4 wheelers messing with stuff on my place and now today my AC went out. Its 88 in the house right now and doesn't look good. Just installed one 8000BTU window unit but its dark out now so can't get the other 2 in. Its going to cost me $5000 for a new AC/Heat system so now I have to see if I can get a loan. Sure hope 2008 is a lot better. Yes I'm going to get a heat pump and I hope save some $$

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Kent in KC

08-09-2007 06:22:11




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Couple quick thoughts: ask the local electric company (or coop) to do an A/C loading evaluation. They can tell you precisely the size A/C (or heat pump) you need. Do not use an A/C bigger than you need or you will use more power than necessary. Try to keep the A/C unit in the shade, its more efficient.

Also, a free-standing roof over your trailer will make a huge difference in your A/C requirements.

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Randy-IA

08-08-2007 19:05:49




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Hi Old , I paid a cheat HVAC outfit from Janesville here in Iowa just over 5,000 at the beginning of last year for an air to air Amana heat pump with a very high SEER and whatever the heat index is called and a new main duct and a couple six foot pieces of 6' round paper thin ducts . The main was about 12'long . I replaced one 18,000 btu window unit and one six thousand btu window unit . My electric bill went up . A/C works 24/7 . It only turns off when the outside temps get below 60 degrees when I don't need it anyway . My house is old but pretty well insulated . My trouble is the dingbat owner of the HVAC company wouldn't listen to me when I told him my upstairs ductwork wasn't adequate but I couldn't arrord to replace all my walls to install new ducts so I wanted him to up size the blower and return duct so it would move more air . He didn't and now there isn't much I can do about it . My electric bills are not quite what yours are , just about 350 a month in the summer and 400 in winter . I keep the house at about 58* in the winter and I try and keep it cold in the summer too - about 63* so that's part of the high bills in the summer . But with it set at 63* it will normally keep it at about 78* on days like today . Right now ( almost 9 pm ) it's reading 70* and it's still set at 63* . My house is just over 1700 square foot two story . I'm all electric too and get a big cost reduction on the heat pump . DON'T get an Amana ! Get a train or a Heil , MUCH better units . So don't let the supposed experts BS you . I even have a background in AC repair because that's what I did in the military . Maybe next year I'll get around to cutting up the house to install new ductwork and make this worthless unit work the way it's supposed to . Hope you stay cool ! Good luck with keeping people off the property . Get some ill tempered LLamas ( HA-HA ) or some of those geese that have the big hump on the top of the beak , can't remember the name but used to have a couple and they were mean! I was glad when one of our dogs had them for lunch . Peacocks or guinee hens will make a rucuss when they are disturbed too ...Randy

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old

08-08-2007 19:16:06




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to Randy-IA, 08-08-2007 19:05:49  
My bill in the summer is never all that bad but its the winter that kills me. Haveing this mobile home I'm very limited as to what I can have put in. The unit they will be installing is coleman and I hope it works out good.



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Randy -IA

08-09-2007 18:48:12




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-08-2007 19:16:06  
Hi Old , I've heard good things about coleman . You're right about being limited to what a mobile home can have installed . I owned a mobile home when I lived in Edwards ,CO . Adding new ductwork shouldn't be to hard either depending on the age of the unit . Heat pumps will work best if you can find a place that gets full sun in the winter and full shade in the summer for the outdoor unit . Good luck with it . Hope you get some A/C soon , it's got to be HOT down there ! ...Randy

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old

08-09-2007 21:07:34




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to Randy -IA, 08-09-2007 18:48:12  
The unit will be sitting on a cement pad I made that is on a hill side covered with trees. In the winter it gets a lot of sun but in the summer a lot of shade so it should work well. I know right now coleman is the top of the line for mobile homes, next down is intertherm which is what I have now and its always cost a lot to heat with.

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higgins

08-08-2007 13:56:17




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
We just replaced our 3 ton heatpump unit for $4,ooo. In Nashville, TN. We had estimates over $5500. 3 weeks later and on a 98 degree weekend we had an air conditioner go out that handeled the upstairs cobbed-on er added on rooms. That was right at $1300. Both are installed prices...Then the Tahoe rebelled at the emissions testing $800. <:[



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havvey

08-08-2007 13:50:09




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Old as far as the a/c shop around!! For the atv issue, Contact your state department that handles that here its warden service. Also contact your farm bureau and any other property rights groups they may help you. Here you have to properly post your land you can give a certified letter or serve papers if you know them. This state will fine them, seize the atv (costs them a lot of $$$) They can be made to pay damage. needless to say the atv problems are not bad here. We have organized clubs and trails and that helps a lot. You will have to initiate the first steps and your state laws will differ. Forget the guns and booby traps once word gets out the problem will usually diminish. We had a booby trap here and cut a young girl in half didn"t do much to solve the tresspass problems.I will contact you by email if i can be of any more help.

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Bill46

08-08-2007 10:23:30




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Old, I had the same problem with the 4 wheelers and kids in 4wd pickups. They mowed for a lot of corn one year for me in those pickups. I just cannot be in 2 states at once.
I leased out the place up north to a guy as a deer lease. Making good money off it too.
They set the 4 wheelers straight real quick. I have not had a problem with them since.



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in-too-deep

08-08-2007 09:01:09




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
If Nate hadn't messed up his wrist, I'm sure he'd be happy to help you out, and I'd help install those window units if I didn't live so darn far away.



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Billy NY

08-08-2007 07:26:25




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
The HVAC contractors won't like this advice, but you should most definitely check the prices of equipment with a wholesale supplier, the mark up some of these people add to the bill can be ridiculous. A customer of mine priced out a large exhaust fan through a general contractor & their HVAC contractor, they wanted $12,000 to provide and install the fan. Fan was a Greenheck belt driven 60" diameter. I checked the supply house and could set up an account, and buy direct. The fan actually cost $3,000 without accessories needed, and I could install it in 2 days, so that leaves quite a bit on the table, several thousand dollars, same was true when I priced heating equipment through a contractor, so we bought direct from a supplier, just need someone with an account or meet their requirments to buy from them and set up a cash account at minimum. Although I'm not in the HVAC business, I've had no trouble buying from these wholesalers under my company name. These suppliers are afraid of lawsuits stemming from selling items to unqualified people who improperly install said items like gas fired equipment, same reason they want you to provide qualifications of your company to buy from them, which is not that difficult, then have one of the HVAC mechanics do the work as a side job etc. I'd look into some means to buy direct from a supply house and have someone you know install the equipment as a side job, or negotiate with the contractor with the up front knowledge on the equipment costs.

Another supply house for example:

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Oldmax

08-08-2007 05:46:17




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Old I used to have trouble with 4 WHEELERS untill I ROLLED UP SOME OLD BARBWIRE placed it in some ditches and let the weeds grow over it . where cattle cant get to it . They don't come around any more .



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Dave from MN

08-08-2007 04:35:20




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Old, I definatly would shop around on the heat /ac, seems really high, and you KNOW, that between now and winter is the , "You should really replace your _____ _ system now" sales pitch. Get the other 2 units in, if it keeps the place cool. Your done with it. if the heat works leave it. Borrowing $5000 right now doesnt make sense.



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old

08-08-2007 09:31:33




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to Dave from MN, 08-08-2007 04:35:20  
Normally I would agree but with bills in the winter of $400 plus the old furnace has problems also and I figure I can save more then the $5000 in just a couple years with a new system being that its a heat pump system



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Traditional Farmer

08-08-2007 03:45:09




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Some days you da Pigeon some days you da statue thats life.



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HENRY E NC

08-07-2007 20:26:45




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Why is thee AC going to cost you so much? I spent thirty years in the business (along with several other things) and I know some of the service people charge a bundle. First off, send me an email and tell me what size AC you have now and exactly what happened. Most of the time the repairs are pretty simple unless your compressor went south. Any how, tell me about it. I just installed a new 3 ton unit for the cost of $1165 and put a new system 4 ton in my house for cost of 1350. Let me help you out please. Unless you need all new ducts there is nno need to pay that much. hmmh@dnet.net

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old

08-07-2007 20:43:30




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to HENRY E NC, 08-07-2007 20:26:45  
Well I'm all electic and my furnace is not all that good any more. Plus this is an old mobile home so few fit in. The cost is high because I'm haveing the whole system replaced. Furance/AC and then adding the heat pump so I hope save some $$ down the road



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IaGary

08-08-2007 05:23:03




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 20:43:30  
Old are you going with a geothermal heat pump or the air to air heat pump?

I have the geothermal in my house and it is very efficient.

Check out the geothermal if you haven"t.

Gary



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old

08-08-2007 09:33:31




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to IaGary, 08-08-2007 05:23:03  
Doing the air to air type. The ground type would cost me at least in my area 3 time as much so I can't go that way. Sure wish I could but thats just way to much $$



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Davis In SC

08-07-2007 20:07:07




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Wow, 5 Grand seems mighty high for a AC/Heat unit..



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roger roland

08-07-2007 20:06:03




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
A/C ? what the hell is that ? sounds like something only a rich farmer can have ? lol havent had it on yet this yr. hack the heat like george says id rather keep the money in my pocket than electric companys pocket.... ya had same tree on house with ice storm thats just nature i just roll with the days ... gl



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James22

08-07-2007 23:08:53




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to roger roland, 08-07-2007 20:06:03  
The thunder woke me up and am enjoying the nice, needed rain. I don't use the A/C much either; eg, two hours yesterday and four hours today when it was 95F and the heat index was 105. First time A/C was used this year. Never had A/C in the the 2 1/2 story family home and got by OK. However, I've been in a mobile home and it is plain miserable when it get hot, and if Old is seeing 88F, I would sure be looking for some A/C too. He isn't 20 years old and in Viet Nam anymore.

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old

08-07-2007 20:45:34




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to roger roland, 08-07-2007 20:06:03  
To cool my place its been cheap but to heat it thats where the big $$ come in so I figure if I do a whole system it wll save in the long run



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Chris in MD

08-07-2007 19:57:54




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
well, I hope you stay cool.



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georgeky

08-07-2007 19:33:31




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Old, as every farmer I have ever known would say, surely next year will be better. I to have problems with those damn 4 wheelers. I wish they would outlaw them. Most of my trouble comes from my wifes relitives who seem to think my place is open to them at all times without my permission. They ride up and down hills in the same place and kill the grass which leads to washing. If they had to mow these hills they would quit. As for the AC, I just get hot with the weather. I have ac, but seldom turn it on. Too tight to pay the bill.

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old

08-07-2007 20:50:22




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to georgeky, 08-07-2007 19:33:31  
Well the bad thing is I own creek land and have a guy hauling gravel out. Well yesterday some butt head on a 4 wheeler messed with his 4500 ford back hoe/loader and ran the battery down. They have no right or permissoin to be on my place and now this and messing with the guys equipment. I did have a bag of nails fall out on the ground where they built a road so maybe that will slow them down. As far as the AC I have a problem with heat stroke and so does my wife so AC is a most or we have other problems

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dan hill

08-08-2007 04:07:24




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 20:50:22  
I have a small 5000btu AC that works fine.I use it when my breathing gets bad.Power use is small.I dont like full time AC ,makes it hard if you have to work out doors.The ac gives relief in about 5 min when I have trouble breathing.



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georgeky

08-07-2007 21:10:57




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 20:50:22  
Old, I have two creeks that go through me and 4 pipeline easments. Years ago folk done a lot of 4 wheeling here on the pipelines, some still do. I have done the nail thing and it will work on some as after they fix 4 tires or replace them they think about things a little more. I never go on anyones place that I don't have permission to be on. Others should do the same. Hit 100 here today. Sweet corn is almost ready and the coons moved in last night, so I will be up all night for a night or two trying to fend them rascals off. I want my corn if possible. Got finished topping tobacco this morning and going to lay around in the shade for a few days now. I have to go and mow gramps's places off in a day or two, but I am in no big hurry for that. Have had trespassers over there as well. If I ever get the house finished I am going to move back over there and just sell this place. The boy's got jobs and it is too much for me now. Just going to keep the family farms and call it good. I'll have lots of time then to fix all my old junk.

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TomTex

08-07-2007 20:00:30




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to georgeky, 08-07-2007 19:33:31  
George, it is your own fault the hills are eroding and are difficult to mow. I also have relatives, close neighbors, and friends that have 4-wheelers, but they absolutely KNOW that they can't ride them here and ruin this farm. People respect you if you set the rules on what you own, and stick to it. Tom



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georgeky

08-07-2007 20:46:09




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to TomTex, 08-07-2007 20:00:30  
Tom, they sneak in when I am gone or late at night. I also have a few renegades that cut fences and come in on the back. I can't be everywhere at once. There is 932 acres here and over 500 of it is woods and steep hills. The law won't let me shoot them. All these folks know they are not suppose to be running on me, but do it anyhow. I have gotten most of it stopped from the in laws even though most of them won't speak to me now, but I don't care at all about that. My wifes brother is the main culprit, he drinks a lot and roams around in the wee hours. He slipped in one night in an old Blazer and ran over a set of cultivators and knocked a hole in his oil pan. Tore up my cultivator some too. I sent him a bill for them and dared him to ever come around here again. I haven't gotten any money out of him, but haven't seen him in 8 or 9 months. My biggest problem was the wife taking sides with her relatives. So I told her to move in with them and for all of them to stay the hell off my place. She stayed and haven't had near as much trouble with her people since.

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old

08-07-2007 20:54:24




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to georgeky, 08-07-2007 20:46:09  
Yep now days no one respect the other person and there right. Seem like every one thinks all land is public land so they can do as they wish. Dupty said I could drop nails if I wanted to since its my land so I did. He also told me I could hold them if I could catch them on my land



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Randy S

08-07-2007 19:23:40




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 Re: Just a rant so in reply to old, 08-07-2007 19:04:50  
Sorry to hear about the ac. Hang in there. Its got to get better(i hope). I think you use the phrase BTDT i have BTDT good luck.



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