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synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor

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midwest redneck

08-05-2007 12:48:36




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I have a 2007 Chevy Cobalt. It now has 11K miles on it. 2 oil changes so far. How soon do you use synthetic oil in the engine? I have heard various answers on this subject, like, after the 36K warranty. I have 100K warranty on the power train. What is your opinion. I am thinking that at the next oil change I should switch to Mobil 1. You can easily get 10K miles out of synthetic oil.

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dhermesc

08-06-2007 05:52:30




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
I wouldn't bother.

The main reason to use sythetic is to extend the oil changes to 6,000 or 8,000 miles. To keep you warranty you must change your oil at the recomended intervals, with Dodge and Ford (and I assume Chevy) they recommend every 6,000 unless its seeing severe duty then every 3,000 miles. When you read the details driving your car anywhere in North America is severe duty (climate etc..). To keep your internally lubed engine warranty you must change your oil every 3,000 miles even if you are using synthetic.

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DAN9-Midwest

08-06-2007 02:56:10




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
Mobil will say it's OK to use Mobil 1 from the get-go. I wait a few thousand miles and no probs in 25? years with the product. I love it, love the extended oil change and love the easy start in winter. I even used it in a farm truck with a good engine and it brought oil pressure up a lot. I think I used 15w50?.
I now use synthetic in all the farm equipment I can. Technology is wonderful.
Personally, I steer clear of Amsoil because of the "multi-level" marketing arrangement. You can't get an honest answer because you never know if the person giving it also sells it.

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Leland

08-05-2007 20:42:26




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
Our farm stores now stock amsoil ,but right now regular mobil one is 20.00 for a 5qt jug at wally world thats what I bought this time .I switch back and forth between oils depending on whats on sale and never have problems but I always change filters once at 3000 before changing at 5000 the last time I had penzoil synthetic in bacause wally world had it for 16.00 for a 5qt jug you just have to shop around

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TomTex

08-05-2007 20:24:06




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
It is ready for Mobil 1 right now. I atay away from the Amsoil. Mobil 1 is just as good or better and is available everywhere. I don't like "limited distribution" "hyped up" products. Tom



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Spook

08-05-2007 17:43:32




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
I have a 06 HHR which is built on the Cobalt chasis. I have the 2.4L engine. I switched to Mobil 1 right after the first oil change. I am going 6 - 7000 miles on a change, or 3 months or so. I have 60,000 miles and no problems. Great little car.



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mjbrown

08-05-2007 17:10:13




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
What the heck is a new motor!



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bill007

08-05-2007 20:42:13




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to mjbrown, 08-05-2007 17:10:13  
a new motor is a new motor how can you get any simpler than that??



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mjbrown

08-06-2007 04:04:40




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to bill007, 08-05-2007 20:42:13  
I've heard rumors about 'em, Never had one though.



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RMinVa

08-05-2007 17:05:21




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
You can change over now. You should buy a flush like Amsoil makes to flush the engine before pouring in 100% synthetic. You may think with only 11,000 miles that engine is clean but if you flush it you'll see it's not. Regular engine oil has already started to build a film.

So far as warranty, Amsoil went to court many years ago and got that straight. The dealer has to back the warranty of the car and Amsoil backs the oil. If the oil fails Amsoil takes care of repair. If engine fails dealer takes care of repair. The engine would have to fail because of oil failure for Amsoil to pay. That isn't going to happen if you follow instructions. Dealer has no choice. Some years back there were some dealers telling folks they had to use a certain name brand and weight of oil. If they tell you that then they have to give you the oil at no charge. That was a court ruling also.

Now you can tell the dealer what you're about to do and he may or may not go along with you and argue. Or you can go ahead and change to synthetic oil and drive extended drains and never say a word and keep down a fuss. As long as you keep the proper oil level, change filters and oil at the proper time you have a warranty from Amsoil and the dealer.

Think about this. Have you ever heard of an engine failing because of oil? I haven't. It's because of the lack of oil.

I've used Amsoil since 1989. Never had a problem with it. I use it in two diesel tractors(my dealer knows about both of them), 3 trucks, a jeep and 1 car. They're from 1987-2005. Have driven as many as 16,000 miles on a change and average 14,000 per year on a nissan. Have engines with 6,000 miles to 258,000 miles and none get but one oil change per year with filter and a second filter change at 6 months.

Again as far as warranty that battle was fought many years ago and the auto suppliers lost. If the dealer argues, get him to call the top brass in his company and he'll get set straight. If he won't call, you can.

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John M

08-05-2007 17:51:00




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to RMinVa, 08-05-2007 17:05:21  
What I dont understand about Amsoil is why they dont have an SAE approval? Must ne some reason,right? I personally wont use it because of the hype surronding it when its not any better than Mobil 1, which does have SAE approval.As far as flushing it, I guess to me thats just another way for Amsoil to mkae a few more bucks off of ya! JMO.



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JoeBob/IN

08-05-2007 19:01:08




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to John M, 08-05-2007 17:51:00  
To my understanding they don't have any SAE markings to keep costs down. It costs millions to get that approval so they just pass on the savings by not spending it in the first place. I know that sounds silly, and you are probably asking yourself why would anyone use an oil not SAE approved. But if you have ever bought freezer beef you are doing the same thing. You know that beef is way better than from the store which has to be FDA approved but the freezer beef has no FDA sticker. Farmer could get it FDA approved but at what cost? I have personally just switched three vehicles and got a neighbor to switch two and so far so good. I gained 1 mpg on my '96 diesel and 1/2 mpg on '00 Denali. Just changed the last truck over so no milage check yet. Mobil 1 is a good oil but I don't think it is quite as good as Amsoil plus Mobil 1 doesn't warrant extended drain intervals past the OEM's recommendation that I know of. Amsoil will warrant and upto 35k on some of their oils. There are cost savings by doing the extended drains even though the Amsoil is rather expensive. I suggest checking their site for more info.

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John M

08-06-2007 03:28:19




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to JoeBob/IN, 08-05-2007 19:01:08  
Ive seen the website. I wont use it plain and simple. Maybe you need to do a little more digging on the SAE rating.The wouldnt give it to Amsoil, why I dont recall, but it was something big.I cant trust an oil the the SAE wont approve, for whatever the reason. Its just hype, thats all, nothing more.Thats why they can charge more for it.



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MN Scott

08-05-2007 16:59:51




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
Read your owners manual. If GM did not want you to use synthetic oil it would be clearlly stated in the manual. I think GM recommends synthetic oil from the start especially in colder climates.



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Steven f/AZ

08-05-2007 16:27:17




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
Any new vehicle can be switched to synthetic oil right away. The way the engines are machined these days there really is no break-in period. As has already been stated, many new vehicles come factory fill with Mobil 1 - Dodge Viper and Chevy Corvette come to mind. third party image

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L.C.Gray

08-05-2007 14:06:51




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
Anytime you're ready go for it.

Many high end vehicles come with synthetic oil from the factory. Of the top of my head, some Cadillacs, Vettes, Porsches and VW diesels all come with synthetic.

Old belief was that a new engine wouldn't break in on synthetic, I guess that was put to rest long ago by the manufacturers



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JoeBob/IN

08-05-2007 13:05:55




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
I would look into Amsoil before using Mobil 1. Mobil is a good oil but they will not (unless recently changed) warranty any engine problems caused by extended drain intervals even if the oil can do so. Amsoil will fully warrant their oil upto 35K mile drain intervals! It has been suggested that you run two or three oil changes on dino oil to allow the engine to break in properly BUT some new engines such as the Corvette are sent out the factory door with synthetic oil so it is up to you. I would think 10k miles would be enough to switch.

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gene bender

08-05-2007 12:56:28




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
I sure would check with the dealer as thats where you will go when you have trouble with anything. There aint anyone on this forum who will honor your warranty.



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RustyFarmall

08-05-2007 12:50:25




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to midwest redneck, 08-05-2007 12:48:36  
As long as what you want to use meets or exceeds the manufacturers specs. you can use it anytime.



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HENRY E NC

08-05-2007 13:20:00




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-05-2007 12:50:25  
My son bought a new Chevy suburban las year mand took it into the dealer and asked if he should run synthetic oil and they refered him to the service book which recommendeed it. They prefer synthetic oil because of its superior lubricity. I have been using synthetic since Syntec came on the market. Wew have presently 4 cars and trucks running on Syntec all with over 150,000 miles and the truck Ford 351 has ove 250,00 miles. Lots of transmission problems but never once burned a drop of oil. Chevy recommends oil changes at extended mileage(7000) comes to mind but I amm not positive and we normally run our engines 10000 miles between oil changes. Amsol makes several grades of synthetics one thats called lifetime and you never need to change oil.
They also make 35000 and I think 65000 oil. Amsol is sold on a pyramid type organization and require an expensive motor flush to change to Amsol. I would stick with Syntec or Mobil one could be another or now Shell has one out. All meet manunfacturers warranty requirements.

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Midwest redneck

08-05-2007 13:39:49




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to HENRY E NC, 08-05-2007 13:20:00  
That syntec is by Castol. I would do a test on it first to see if it is real synthetic oil. (I would put it in a -40 temp chamber an see if it pours out of a cup. (pour point is one of the real ways to see how synthetic an oil is) I have seen dexron II at -40 in a chamber and it is like Jello, wont even pour out of a cup. Thanks for the info.



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HENRY E NC

08-05-2007 13:19:48




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 Re: synthetic oil? how soon to use in new motor in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-05-2007 12:50:25  
My son bought a new Chevy suburban las year mand took it into the dealer and asked if he should run synthetic oil and they refered him to the service book which recommendeed it. They prefer synthetic oil because of its superior lubricity. I have been using synthetic since Syntec came on the market. Wew have presently 4 cars and trucks running on Syntec all with over 150,000 miles and the truck Ford 351 has ove 250,00 miles. Lots of transmission problems but never once burned a drop of oil. Chevy recommends oil changes at extended mileage(7000) comes to mind but I amm not positive and we normally run our engines 10000 miles between oil changes. Amsol makes several grades of synthetics one thats called lifetime and you never need to change oil.
They also make 35000 and I think 65000 oil. Amsol is sold on a pyramid type organization and require an expensive motor flush to change to Amsol. I would stick with Syntec or Mobil one could be another or now Shell has one out. All meet manunfacturers warranty requirements.

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