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crack in exhaust manifold M how to fix ?

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roger roland

07-26-2007 18:51:56




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would it be best to braze it or ? its down the middle in the side u cant see ( back toward eng.) on a farmall M




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buickanddeere

07-27-2007 10:34:19




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 Re: crack in exhaust manifold M how to fix ? in reply to roger roland, 07-26-2007 18:51:56  
As previously stated. Unless it's a one of a kind irreplaceable unit. Don't waste your time trying to "polish a t*rd." Either replace it with brand new or custom build an all new manifold. Patching is a just a total waste of your time and money.



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msb

07-27-2007 07:41:12




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 Re: crack in exhaust manifold M how to fix ? in reply to roger roland, 07-26-2007 18:51:56  
Ship it to Maryland and let George do it right.



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dan hill

07-27-2007 04:14:41




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 Re: crack in exhaust manifold M how to fix ? in reply to roger roland, 07-26-2007 18:51:56  
One fellow used a gas barbeque for preheat and slow cooling.He had a 300.00 manifold to fix, used arc welding.



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george md

07-26-2007 22:51:59




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 Re: crack in exhaust manifold M how to fix ? in reply to roger roland, 07-26-2007 18:51:56  

Roger, Brazing is a good repair for cast ,but leaves
a bit to be desired for manifolds because of
the thermal cycling and the difference in the expansion rates between braze and cast iron. A better repair is oxy/acet with cast iron rod (cast iron in stick form),with that process
the base material and the repair material are
the same. Here are two pictures ,one before and one after
repair with oxy/ acet.

george

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Showing back of the broken heater box

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assembled box , back side

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mj

07-27-2007 19:55:23




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 Re: crack in exhaust manifold M how to fix ? in reply to george md, 07-26-2007 22:51:59  
Nice job, George!



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ScottyHOMEy

07-26-2007 19:37:07




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 Re: crack in exhaust manifold M how to fix ? in reply to roger roland, 07-26-2007 18:51:56  
Is the crack in the intake or the exhaust side? By the middle do you mean the upright part -- still same question, exhaust or intake end?

I asked once, in dealing with a problem on another engine, about how much heat a brazed joint in a manifold could take and still hold, and never got a good answer.

About all I could surmise is that for just ordinary gettin' around without a big load, you *might* get away with brazing on the exhaust side, or near it. But if you're gonna work the tractor hard EVER, you're apt to just burn it out and be back where you started.

You may wind up with a replacement as the wisest choice, but also try to figure out how it cracked.

(Somebody else chime in here if I'm wrong, please) On the As, Bs, and Cs, the manifold has cuts in between the ports where it faces up to the block. These cuts run right through the holes for the studs. And those studs have washers to go under the nuts. Only the studs at each end of the manifold are tightened down without these washers. This is so that the manifold, even when torqued down correctly, can expand and contract without breaking.

Whatever your solution, patch or replace, if your manifold has these same cuts in it, make sure you've got those manifold washers in place when you put the nuts on it. It'll make for less stress on the braze and, if their absence was the cause of it cracking in the first place, perhaps prevent a repeat performance with a new manifold.

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Jim/Iowa

07-26-2007 18:54:15




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 Re: crack in exhaust manifold M how to fix ? in reply to roger roland, 07-26-2007 18:51:56  
Aftermarket replacement?



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