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OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring?

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Todd in SE Ohio

06-25-2007 14:30:47




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I know it is a little off topic, but this is the place I turn when I can't find the answers anywhere else. I would like to tap into a spring to water my cattle and goats. But I can't seem to find any info on how to go about it. Can anyone out there help?




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James22

06-26-2007 07:58:39




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to Todd in SE Ohio, 06-25-2007 14:30:47  
We did a very simplified version of JRT. Followed the stream up the side of the hill, then dug in a couple of feet and layed in a pipe. Threw in a few stones on end inside the hill and covered with the remaining dirt. Used a large stone to support the pipe coming out of the hill. Should have used PVC pipe, but already had old galvanized pipe pulled from an old well. This worked for about 50 years and the pipe finally rusted thru, although a couple of times, we ran a rod up the pipe to remove the iron/sulfur deposits. The spring was approx. 1/4 mile from the house on the family farm in Ohio. We had a small fence around the outlet because we would drink from it when working the back acres. The overrun ran down to a basin for the animals which had a spillway to the creek.

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JRT

06-25-2007 22:31:28




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to Todd in SE Ohio, 06-25-2007 14:30:47  
To capture a spring properly you have to start digging where the water comes out of the ground and dig until you find the rock aquafer where the water is coming out. That could be 100 ft or more from where the water is coming out of the ground. Once you have found the aquafer shovel everything out clean where you have sort of a bowel of water with a rock bottem with no sand or mud. Take a piece of 10 ft long, 4" PVC pipe and place a cap over the end of it. Bore 1/2" holes in the pipe on the capped side for a distance of about the length of your pool of water. Lay the end with the holes down in the pool flat and then dump 2 to 3 bags of dry premixed cement(comes in bags) over the pipe to create a dam. Fill in behind the dam with a couple of wheelbarrow loads of washed stone (1 to 1-1/2"). Cover that whole mess up with a piece of plastic and cover it all up with dirt. You don't have to wait for the cement to set up. It will set up under ground. If you fix it right, nice clean water will run out that pipe forever. You can narrow down to 1-1/2 or 2" pipe to run the water where you want it to go.

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Billy NY

06-25-2007 20:20:03




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to Todd in SE Ohio, 06-25-2007 14:30:47  
We had a water problem at our place where the horses are, knowing the water table and or springs in the shale, was not that deep, due to the geological structure under the ground, we set a round pre-cast concrete basin, I'd have to look at the photos, but I think it was 3 sections deep, 2 were perforated, like a drywell, the bottom solid, I wrapped the perforated sections with filter fabric, then backfilled with crushed stone, clean potable water drains into the bottom section, where I have a screened inlet, I ran black polyethylene water pipe to the barn a few hundred feet away, where the pump is, and it's worked great for a reliable water source. The were pumping out of the pond before that, not so good water.

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msb

06-25-2007 20:00:02




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to Todd in SE Ohio, 06-25-2007 14:30:47  
Drive a well point into the spring. Horizontally, of course.



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wgwilson

06-25-2007 16:22:27




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to Todd in SE Ohio, 06-25-2007 14:30:47  
See your local county agent,soil conservation rep.or Farm Service Agent. They are there to help with this sort of thing,no cost,may be some cost-share from USDA.



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iowa_tire_guy

06-25-2007 15:42:15




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to Todd in SE Ohio, 06-25-2007 14:30:47  
Back in the 80's Kansas State University put out information on tapping into springs and running the pipe to a tank or trough for livestock water. Don't know if any of that info could be had or not. As I recall it was roughly digging a trench with a backhoe into the spring and putting perferated tile surrounded with gravel into the spring area then hooking that to an underground pipe that would go downhill for enough fall to fill a tank.

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old

06-25-2007 14:45:26




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to Todd in SE Ohio, 06-25-2007 14:30:47  
I lot depends on if you want to pump it or want it to say fill a tank etc on its own. I have a spring that we built a cement basin below it years ago and it has 2 or 3 pipes come out of it so you can hook up a hose to it and pipe it where you want. It sits up probably 10-20 feet higher then the field below so it works good but I haven't used it in years.

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RAB

06-25-2007 14:45:26




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to Todd in SE Ohio, 06-25-2007 14:30:47  
A little topography might be useful for those able to answer rationally. If the water is falling from a little way above there may be a case for tapping that supply. If it is welling up from some distance to the spring it may be difficult to do more than pump away the flow as the outflow can divert to another place if any back pressure is applied.
RAB



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Todd in SE Ohio

06-25-2007 19:37:20




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to RAB, 06-25-2007 14:45:26  
The spring that I am interested in is running out of the side of a hill, I am not sure how high it is actually coming from. Right now it just runns across a road bed. This spring is fairly high up our hill, and I suspect that the bedrock is not very far under the ground. Thanks for all your help already. I knew I came to the right place.



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mark

06-25-2007 18:43:23




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to RAB, 06-25-2007 14:45:26  
I've seen several springs 'holed up' around here, in a couple different ways.

I know where one is, in the mouth of a small hollow. That is the sweetest and coldest water you ever tasted! They just built a concrete basin as old said, right against the rock face of the bank where the spring runs. I'd say it holds 75 gallons and the overflow just runs down the branch. The cattle can always get a drink there. Years ago, they had a lid on it and piped it to the house. Keep a frog in your spring box to keep the bugs ate up!

The other spring run out of the hill and they jammed a pipe in the rock seam and ran it down the hill maybe 20 feet to a concrete tank that probably holds 500 gallons....actually there are 2 of these and the cattle don't have to walk all the way down to the creek to drink. They make a mess of it, but don't seem to mind:).

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john cub owner

06-26-2007 19:59:56




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 Re: OT - Does anyone know how to tap a water spring? in reply to mark, 06-25-2007 18:43:23  
Years ago you could get water rams to put in a spring that would pump water uphill using the spring flow. They consisted of a pipe with a flapper attached to a smaller pipe with another flapper. Never saw one myself, but Dad used to talk about them. pumped water in little spurts.



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