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26Red

05-30-2007 07:35:58




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Saw a thread a few months ago about a guy losing some land in Texas to some new superhighway project through the heartland... Didn't think much of it until I saw this article in the local paper!




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Leland

05-31-2007 07:01:29




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to 26Red, 05-30-2007 07:35:58  
I thought part of this plan was to extend I-69 so they would have a straight shot from Detroit to Texas



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MN Scott

05-30-2007 21:08:12




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to 26Red, 05-30-2007 07:35:58  
Here in SE MN most of the state and federal two lane highways are to dangerous to drive 55 MPH on. Even the interstates need rebuilding. Midwest Redneck is right we all need to contact our congressmen to tell them to rebuild repair the roads we have. What good would a superhighway be if there are no good conector roads. Typical goverment, always wasting money and catering to special interests...

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Midwest redneck

05-30-2007 14:20:35




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to 26Red, 05-30-2007 07:35:58  
All I can say is that if you are in the way of this project then call your congressmen, shout, raise *ell, make your voice heard. Does this NAFTA hyway pay for your land or does it confiscate your land?



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ShepFL

05-30-2007 10:07:14




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to 26Red, 05-30-2007 07:35:58  
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Man-o-Man: Want to get my blood boiling!!!

This is another example of BUSH-FOX-MARTIN plans for America. They want America to be like the EU countries that have given up control over their borders for a common perimeter; we are expected to follow suit.

Are North Americans prepared to give up their sovereignty? Our Leaders now are throwing off the "aging conceptions of sovereignty," in favor of continental "integration" and "convergence."

If you’re shaking your head in disbelief and wondering how anything as massive and costly as the NAFTA Super Highway could have progressed so far without your notice? Well, it may be that you don’t belong to the right clubs — such as the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission (TC).

Google "Toward a North American Community" or "Dr. Robert Pastor". His writings and speeches provided the blueprint for the Bush-Fox-Martin SPP merger plans. This is their plan "Security and Prosperity Partnership"

Shep getting off his soapbox before I get carried away. Email is open if you would like more information.

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26Red

05-30-2007 07:50:39




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to 26Red, 05-30-2007 07:35:58  
Found another article in the Fargo-Forum... Lots of farm land is going to be lost if this goes through. Kinda hits close to home.


"""Authorities shift focus to ‘super corridor’
By Jonathan Knutson and Melinda Rogers, The Forum
Published Wednesday, May 30, 2007 A proposed North American “super corridor” would relieve overburdened highways and promote economic growth in three countries, supporters say.

But others wonder whether the proposal might bring in cheap exports and put unsafe Mexican trucks on U.S. roads.

The issue takes center stage at a three-day conference that begins today in Fort Worth, Texas. More than 350 transportation, logistics and economic development specialists from the United States, Canada and Mexico are meeting.

The conference is sponsored by Dallas-based North America’s SuperCorridor Coalition.

The nonprofit coalition, whose members include public- and private-sector organizations, wants to develop an integrated transportation system linking the three countries.

Graphic: Proposed NAFTA Super highway RELATED CONTENT Do you think a superhighway from North Dakota to Texas is needed? The corridor includes interstates 29, 94 and 35, giving North Dakota and Minnesota a stake in the outcome. The project has drawn heavy criticism, including claims that it threatens U.S. control of its own borders.

Such claims are “extremely inaccurate, false and unhelpful to the country’s actual needs,” said Francisco Conde, the coalition’s director of special projects and communications.

The real issue is that the U.S. Interstate Highway System, completed in 1970, is increasingly overwhelmed by the country’s growing population and economy, he said.

The transportation system needs to be expanded for growth to continue, he said.

North Dakota and western Minnesota have less immediate need for the super corridor than the southern Great Plains does, said Jerry Nagel, president of Fargo-based Northern Great Plains, which seeks to maximize the area’s potential through regional collaboration.

The existing highway system in this area is still adequate – which isn’t the case in the southern Great Plains, where some highways are stressed by heavy traffic, he said.

Texas lawmakers for months have wrangled over construction of what is known as the Trans-Texas Corridor.

Plans call for a transportation network across Texas, including a 10-lane highway with six lanes for automobiles and four lanes for trucks. Freight and commuter railways and a utilities corridor are also part of the proposal, which would stretch the system from Laredo, Texas, to Canada.

The idea has sparked controversy in Texas, where rural interest groups are opposed to paving thousands of acres of farmland for transportation.

There aren’t any plans for super corridor-related construction in North Dakota, said Bob Fode, director of transportation projects for the state Department of Transportation.

David Martin, president of the Chamber of Commerce of Fargo Moorhead, said his group supports the super corridor project. The region’s continued growth requires expanded transportation opportunities, he said.

North Dakota Commerce Commissioner Shane Goettle said a transportation corridor would help the state. Both North Dakota and Minnesota are exporting more to Mexico and Canada, according to U.S. government figures.

From 2001 to 2006, North Dakota increased its exports to Mexico from $38 million to $55 million and its exports to Canada from $394 million to $727 million. In the same period, Minnesota exports to Mexico rose from $435 million to $595 million, with exports to Canada rising from $2.6 billion to $4.1 billion.

The proposed super corridor worries the American trucking industry.

“We are concerned about the safety standards of Mexican trucks,” said Thomas Balzer, managing director of the North Dakota Motor Carriers Association.

There’s also concern that Mexican truckers will improperly carry goods between U.S. cities while they’re in this country with international shipments, he said.

Rep. Collin Peterson, D-Minn., said it likely will be 20 years before the project has any impact on Minnesota.

He said it’s too early to know how such a corridor would affect the Red River Valley, but there are some concerns over how an influx of Canadian and Mexican imports could affect North Dakota and northwestern Minnesota’s economies.

“There’s a lot of concern out there with some people about Canadian cattle, and hogs and wheat. You’ve got a different situation on the Mexico border,” Peterson said.

“It depends on where it goes and how it’s developed.”"""

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sd pete

05-30-2007 08:14:55




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to 26Red, 05-30-2007 07:50:39  
I have seen tourist's take pics on I 29 a super hiway with no cars.



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dds-inc

05-30-2007 16:46:31




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to sd pete, 05-30-2007 08:14:55  
hahahahahahahahaha!!!



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dhermesc

05-30-2007 08:07:01




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to 26Red, 05-30-2007 07:50:39  
The "idea" of a super highway from Mexico to Canada has been around since 1996 when it got its first funding to study the idea. About as likely to happen has the bridge to Europe.



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Frumpadump

05-30-2007 08:55:20




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to dhermesc, 05-30-2007 08:07:01  
Got news for you. Its already under construction in Texas and several other places. No longer a dream, just a plain ole fact.



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dhermesc

05-30-2007 10:59:15




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to Frumpadump, 05-30-2007 08:55:20  
Link?

To my knowledge not one foot of this roadway has been laid. There have been improvements to some existing highways (streatches of 29, 81, 35) that have people pointing and claiming that is proof - but it like pointing at a mole hill and yelling "MOUNTAIN!!!" , just doesn't make it so.



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gorilla

05-30-2007 20:25:58




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to dhermesc, 05-30-2007 10:59:15  
Here are a few links for you if you dont believe it. They have a detailed aerial maps with the highway overlaid, with elevations, connectors etc. They have been working in the shadows on this out of public veiw and without public input. The proposal that centra put together was in 2004!

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1.htm.stall.net/ttc_2007/CW00350100.htm

http://ttc.keeptexasmoving.com/projects/ttc35/

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dhermesc

05-31-2007 07:23:50




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to gorilla, 05-30-2007 20:25:58  
So there hasn't been a foot of road built nor an inch of land claimed for its laying - yet.



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Gorilla

05-31-2007 07:52:26




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to dhermesc, 05-31-2007 07:23:50  
No. there isnt an inch of it built - YET. It is in the very NEAR future if we dont do something about it. Hopefully this moratorium will give folks a chance to get educated about the situation before they give our roads over to a foreign company. Their is a lot of specualtion as to wuther TTC-35 will be held up by this moratorium or not. If not, it is likely that they will start taking peoples property in the next year or so. In the 2004 plan on one of those links I posted they have the timetable all laid out for taking land and construction. It is a he** of a lot more likely than "a bridge to Europe". When they enter into an agreement with this company they have to sign "non compete clauses" which means that they cant make any improvments to "competing" highways like the interstate, that will allow traffic to flow any smoother. The only way that a tollway is profitable is if the other competing roads have heavy traffic which forces people onto the toll road. TTC 35 is very nearly a "done deal".

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Ken Macfarlane

05-30-2007 12:38:28




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to dhermesc, 05-30-2007 10:59:15  
Drove from Montana to Michigan a few years ago on a big interstate and some side roads (70 mph on Montana 2 lane where when you'd meet a dually he was driving on the shoulder and my side at the same time!) would love to drive through the US from north to south, hope to see all the states someday, been to all the provinces in Canada already.



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Gorilla

05-30-2007 13:21:04




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 Re: OT_NAFTA Superhighway in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 05-30-2007 12:38:28  
By the way. IF you want to see something that will make you crap your shorts go to amazon.com and buy "Truth be Tolled" by a guy of the name Molina. Its all about this "nafta superhighway" sham. It will really open your eyes.



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