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Alfalfa Seed Harvest?????

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IaGary

05-25-2007 04:25:55




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Never seen it done or pictures of it for that matter.

When,how and where do they harvest Alfalfa seed?

What kind of yields do they get? And I assume they bale the stems when finished??

Gary




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Stan - Florida

05-25-2007 12:44:14




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to IaGary, 05-25-2007 04:25:55  
I agree with Allan...we never raised alfalfa seed, but we did combine clover seed once in a while. Used an A-C All Crop 60, and Allan is right...it took all day to get a 15 bushel hopperful.

Stan



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JMS/MN

05-25-2007 11:57:42




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to IaGary, 05-25-2007 04:25:55  
I think it was at a Pioneer Seed company meeting about ten years ago where they showed slides of their alfalfa production fields- in California. Several semi trucks alongside the field, filled with alfalfa. Current price then was about four dollars per pound. That figures out to almost a quarter mil per semi.



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nballen

05-25-2007 07:20:08




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to IaGary, 05-25-2007 04:25:55  
A lot of alfalfa seed is grown in the Snake River plain of Southern Idaho & Eastern Oregon.

I can't speak to other parts of the country, though.

How detailed do you want me to get?

Alfalfa seed is usually planted as a row crop & grown in dedicated fields. It can be cultivated (especially the first year) to aid weed control. Although honey bees will occasionally work alfalfa seed, Leaf Cutter bees are primarily used for alfalfa pollination.

Weed control is critical for growing certified seed. Hand hoeing is often required (this is from pre-RR (R) days), all clovers are the biggest problem, as the seed sizes / density are very close.

Here, we usually don't get frost until ~October 1st, so the seed fields are chemically defoliated in mid-August after (most of) the seed has matured. Its a balance between maturing seed, and the early-set seeds becoming too dry and shattering ahead of the combine.

Special screens are used, and the combines are caulked (i.e. around lift augers, etc) to ensure no gaps that seed may fall through. My neighbor (growing up) used (IIRC) an IH 1460 (and a JD 6620?) for many years.

Seed is hauled in specially constructed (and covered) boxes, off-loaded with a forklift at the seed company warehouse.

I couldn't find any good pictures with a few minutes of 'net searching...I will pull a few together tonight and over the weekend.

Nathaniel
IPM bug-collector in Alfalfa seed - summer '96

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dhermesc

05-25-2007 05:56:19




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to IaGary, 05-25-2007 04:25:55  
We did it a few times in the 1970s. We used an old AC pull type combine that had very little wear, our larger machines (IH 815 & 915) didn't have the right set up to harvest that small of seed. I recall the seed being spread out on canvas on our machine shed and garage floors to dry before being bagged up in cloth sacks. A lot of effort to save some money but that was dad's way.



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Lou

05-25-2007 10:07:11




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to dhermesc, 05-25-2007 05:56:19  
I have two AC all crops and one has the tool for fine seed. Ive been told they will do the job but havent tried.



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Allan In NE

05-25-2007 04:46:50




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to IaGary, 05-25-2007 04:25:55  
Hi Ol' Bud,

Depends on the year, but if the conditions/timing are just right, sometimes that last cutting will set on seed and be very short.

Combine the stuff by direct cutting after the frost when the seed has dried down and just throw those short little stems right out the back.

Can usually combine all day long and still not get half a tankful. :>)

Allan



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IaGary

05-25-2007 04:56:20




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to Allan In NE, 05-25-2007 04:46:50  
Morning Allan

I know some is combined in Wyoming.

Is there some around you also Allan.

Gary



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Allan In NE

05-25-2007 05:02:31




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to IaGary, 05-25-2007 04:56:20  
Just the farmers combing their own.

I just don't like field-run seed. Doesn't seem to have the vigor like the certified stuff does.

Might just be my imagination tho.

Allan



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KRUSS1

05-25-2007 06:29:22




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to Allan In NE, 05-25-2007 05:02:31  
There are a number of afalfa seed growers in the Interlake area of Manitoba. In fact that is probably where your certified seed came from. Hopefully R. John Johnson will step in and tell us something. From what I know of it the first thing you need is leaf cutter bees in order to get any degree of pollination. I believe 200 to 300 lbs. per acre is considered a success. But at $1.00 per lb and relatively low inputs it is fairly profitable. It is usually grown in small fields (40 acres or so) in what would normally be high rainfall areas. I have grown timothy for seed. It loves moisture, loves nitrogen, is a pita to combine and yielded about 500 lb/acre for me. By the time you get 200 bushels in a combine hopper you have put in most of a day. Then you get it on aeration ASAP before it heats. A bit of aeration fixes it right up. I grew a semi load of it at $.45/lb one year.

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mjbrown

05-25-2007 08:54:32




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 Re: Alfalfa Seed Harvest????? in reply to KRUSS1, 05-25-2007 06:29:22  
Brings to mind a story my neighbor told about growing wheat on my grandad's place decades ago. They had seeded timothy on the wheat (wheat as a nurse crop) and the wheat in the combine was full of timothy seed. Well the neighbor (then a young fellow) was moaning about all the timothy seed mixed in the wheat. Granddad just smiled and got in the truck with him and said "let's go to the feed mill" where they ran the wheat through a cleaner and bagged up the timothy and sold it for about as much as the wheat.

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