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Rob in Indiana

05-18-2007 09:08:47




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Im waiting on my attorny to call me back and just thinking out loud..... ...

I live in a housing development where we pay dues to a homeowners association for street maintance, snow removal, ect. This all come out of out pockets and while or subdivision in with in town limits the our streets are not even shown on a town map because they are privetly owned.... owned the the homeowners association according to Indiana law..... so says my attorny.

my question is how can the town police force ticket and tow a car, truck ect from these streets? My understanding is outside of protection of life and property they are basicaly on privet property when out here and cant even enforce the posted speed limit.

This is a nice area with god people and no crime but we are being haressed to death the the city police force. Feels much like a small town force out of control. I havent had any run ins yet but see what is happening. As I said..... just thinking out loud.

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05-18-2007 13:45:35




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to Rob in Indiana, 05-18-2007 09:08:47  
It depends on whats being towed.Some associations have rules governing things, Too many vehicles or vehicles not licensed, or on blocks etc. etc. Heck my friend live in a posh place and he can not have a trampoline, laundryline, or a rv in his yard.He does get to pay taxes though.



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Sean Feeney 2

05-18-2007 14:07:49




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to you, 05-18-2007 13:45:35  
My understanding is the road my be private, but if the public has access. ie no gate or guard to stop enter than they can enforce the laws.



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mjbrown

05-18-2007 12:38:36




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to Rob in Indiana, 05-18-2007 09:08:47  
Shopping malls are similar and they ask or contract or otherwise authorize the police to enforce the traffic laws stop signs etc. Maybe the same with your sub division. Perhaps a condition of the permitting needed to build it in the first place.



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Rick Kr

05-18-2007 10:16:02




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to Rob in Indiana, 05-18-2007 09:08:47  
First, you did the right thing and secured an attorney.

In Michigan, I believe, law enforcement CANNOT enter private property without:

1. Just cause. A felony has been committed, about to be committed, etc.

2. Without permission. This is what I would bet is happening to you. Your sub is indeed probably considered private property. BUT, huge BUT here, I bet one of your neighbors is calling the police to complain about parked cars, skateboard kids etc. Now they have "permission" to enter because they are following up on an official complaint.

In Michigan 911 calls and police reports are available to the public through the F.O.I.A. (freedom of info. act).

If the complaint is official you can find out from the local police reports who is calling. If this not the case, I would say they do not have permission "just cause" to enter.

I had a similar situation happen to me while digging my pond, with a little detective work on my own, I found out who the complainer was. I confronted him, and mentioned he was on my property while I was not home, tables turned and now not one peep out of him.

I am a small town so I just got all the reports for one month, $3 each. $200 later it was easy to figure it out. Plus I got some interesting reading material about other things going on in the rest of the township.


Good luck, please post the outcome, I am interested in hearing it.

p.s. That is why I bought 33 acres, yet still had a noisy neighbor.

Rick

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IH2444

05-18-2007 13:06:25




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to Rick Kr, 05-18-2007 10:16:02  
In Lexington KY the police can come on your property and ticket you for parking on your own grass. A city ordinance not a HOA rule....



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kyhayman

05-18-2007 19:29:34




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to IH2444, 05-18-2007 13:06:25  
Thats the advantage of living in the 'hood. Evening Lexington metro doesnt worry too much about when I want to park in the front yard.



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higgins

05-18-2007 13:33:54




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to IH2444, 05-18-2007 13:06:25  
Nashville too....now my wife thinks I have hormone issues....lousy realtors and neighbors trying to sell their dilapidated chikun houses.....



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Bob85355

05-18-2007 09:52:31




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to Rob in Indiana, 05-18-2007 09:08:47  
Rob,

It really does depend upon what the law says as to the police powers on private property. Generally, police are not permitted to enter upon private property absent a belief that a crime has been or is being committed.

In my state, private roads are indeed private property and any traffic signs are advisory only.

Its good that you have an attorney to advise you. I suggest you also check you state statutes which are usually available on line.

Bob

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Walt Davies

05-18-2007 09:42:49




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to Rob in Indiana, 05-18-2007 09:08:47  
I guess it would depend on the state laws but in most of them that I know about a private road is just that a private road and not under the jurisdiction of the local police.

In a lot of these types of housing project they have a gate to keep anyone out that they don't want in.

Personally you couldn't pay me enough to live in one.
Walt



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RustyFarmall

05-18-2007 09:15:55




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 Re: Homeowners associations and streets in reply to Rob in Indiana, 05-18-2007 09:08:47  
If your sub-division is within city limits, or has been annexed by the city, the local constables do have jurisdiction, and even if you are not yet within the city limits, you are still within the county and state jurisdiction. Obey the laws and keep your nose clean and you will not have any trouble.



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