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Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid

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Jrry

05-17-2007 10:20:12




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I changed the fluid and filter and put new fluid in but the new fluid is milky. My question is should all the water be removed to prevent damage to the hydraulics or is it ok to use it like it is since I know the fluid is new? It gets expensive to change this fluid again. I'm talking in general here not a specific tractor as this has happened before.




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T_Bone

05-18-2007 03:31:49




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to Jrry, 05-17-2007 10:20:12  
Hi Jrry,

I cleaned up some hydraulic oil a couple years ago by just letting the oil sit in a covered container for about a year. The bottom gallon had water and trash in it but the top 4gal was very clean. I filtered the oil and reused it without any problems.

According to ASTM standards, clean #2 diesel has 500ppm of water content in suspension. You can not see the water in the oil but it's there. At 1000ppm then water falls out of suspension and that is the water you can drain off at the filter drain.

I've never ran into the info on water content of clean ASTM hydraulic oil but the above diesel example should be some what accurate in comparrision.

T_Bone

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Hal/WA

05-17-2007 23:17:01




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to Jrry, 05-17-2007 10:20:12  
A few years ago, I changed all the fluids in my 641D. It sits outside and they all showed some evidence of being contaminated with water. Then last year, I started having trouble with my hydraulic system. The oil was milky, so I changed it. About a month later, it was milky again.

I needed to do some work on the PTO and decided to drain the rear end oil before removing the PTO shaft. About the first quart of liquid that drained out was water, and the oil was very contaminated. It also appeared to be quite overfull with the added water. I replaced the oil and now keep the top cover covered with canvas, since it had to be rain water getting in the rear end case and the only logical place I could see that it could be doing that is around the spring. No more problems with the hydraulic oil getting milky and I hope the water in the rear end lube didn't do too much damage in that area.

If you retain the milky hydraulic oil in a can, eventually the water mostly settles out to the bottom of the can. I reuse the hydraulic oil after the water settles out. One pretty good way of keeping the water in the settling container is to let it freeze and then to pour the oil into another container, leaving the ice behind.

If you continue to have contamination, you might want to check the rear end. Apparently the seals between the 3 compartments aren't the best, at least on my tractor. Good luck!

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Jiles

05-17-2007 19:10:28




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to Jrry, 05-17-2007 10:20:12  
I have a Case backhoe that was stored outside for many years. Upon changing the hydraulic filter, I noticed a small amount of water in the bottom. My fluid was a milky color. Here is what I am doing. If the machine sets for 3 or 4 days, there will be a small amount of very milky looking fluid setteled to the bottom of the tank. I drain about two gallons of fluid, let that settle for a few days and reuse all but the bottom fluid. My fluid now looks brown instead of milky.

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circus

05-17-2007 15:08:59




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to Jrry, 05-17-2007 10:20:12  
I've had the same problem for years. So far the only problem is under 10 degree's it won't flow through the strainer pickup. Perhapes a low detergent oil would allow the water to settle out to be drained off.



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MLP

05-17-2007 13:48:45




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to Jrry, 05-17-2007 10:20:12  
On some tractors like my ford Ns there is a lot of fluid retained in the system after draining it. There is still some in the pump and in the lift cylinder.
I have not done it my self but I have known people to drain the system then fill it with kerosene and run it for a couple of minutes working the lift and then draining and re filling with new fluid. With out some sort of filter or separator I do not think that you can get it all.

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Jrry

05-17-2007 13:58:21




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to MLP, 05-17-2007 13:48:45  
that's my thoughts also. I just didn't know how much damage a little water in there could do. another problem with leaving it milky is that if water does start getting into the fluid later it would not be noticable, but it gets expensive changing the fluid over and over. I think next time I will try putting kerosene in there to wash out the water before adding new fluid. thanks



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SECRET

05-17-2007 13:07:37




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to Jrry, 05-17-2007 10:20:12  
That make & model last longer with water in the system.SECRET



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Jrry

05-17-2007 13:25:03




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to SECRET, 05-17-2007 13:07:37  
thanks for your reply. Pick any tractor you want, doesn't matter to me. Seems the answer should apply to any of them.



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JMS/MN

05-17-2007 11:58:57




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to Jrry, 05-17-2007 10:20:12  
Problems do not fix themselves. You say it happened before- then you need to find where the water is getting in to the system, and fix that. Hydraulic systems work on oil- not water. Drain the fluid, save it and let it separate if necessary, but you need to find the cause.



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Jrry

05-17-2007 12:52:09




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to JMS/MN, 05-17-2007 11:58:57  
I guess I wasn't clear. It happened before on a different tractor. I changed the oil and it was still milky after I changed it. The milky color is from not getting all the water out when the oil is changed even after it drained for a long period of time.



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dds-inc

05-17-2007 14:07:05




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to Jrry, 05-17-2007 12:52:09  
Condensation. When any tractor sits for a period of time with temperature changes, candensation forms on the inside of the castings. Repeated for months and months, this can produce a significant amount of water in the system- EVEN AFTER you changed the oil.



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Jrry

05-17-2007 14:18:34




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 Re: Water in hydraulic/transmission fluid in reply to dds-inc, 05-17-2007 14:07:05  
I think that's where the water came from on this tractor. There doesn't seem to be any problems with the tractor. I havn't had it long but I changed the fluids just in case there was lots of water in there. thanks



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