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John S-B

05-16-2007 20:15:07




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I need to put on a addition to the machine shed. I'm going to be real tight on the height so I need as much head room as possible. Can I use 2x6's for a 15' span with a 1/12 pitch? It's going to have metal panels on it, the existing roof rafters span about 13' and spaced 3' apart. I'll have 2x4 purlins across the rafters also. I'm going to be close on clearance so if I don't have to use 2x8's that would be great.

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jdemaris

05-17-2007 06:01:26




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to John S-B, 05-16-2007 20:15:07  
Besides the dimensions of the wood, the type of wood makes a big difference. Years ago, for certain jobs I used to special-order Douglar Fir for long spans and heavy snow loads - but can't get it anymore (here in New York). Next best option is Southern Yellow Pine - since it's usually commonly available in pressure-treated lumber - but costs a lot. I wish I could get it untreated.

We get heavy snow loads where I live and 60 lbs. per square foot is the minimum code requirement for most buildings. For a 15' span, if you are using common spruce lumber, 2 X 12s will just barely make code if used on 16" centers.

The strongest wood, e.g. Douglas Fir, Southern Yellow Pine, can carry a longer span than weaker wood - e.g. spruce, white pine, red pine, hemlock, etc. In my area - all standard framing lumber comes as spruce - but I am in New York. If I buy rough lumber from a local mill it will be hemlock. If I lived down south - the wood would likely be much stronger as Southern Yellow Pine.

30 lbs. snow load - 16' span - 24" on center - 16 feet max. span - 2 X 10 best wood. If spruce, only 14 feet.

40 lbs. snow load - 14 1/2 foot span max. - 24" on center - 2 x 10 for best wood, 13' for Spruce.

I've built several buildings over the years with 20 foot spans using 2 x 12s on 14" centers. That meets the new code regs. and will hold a lot of snow in case I'm not around to shovel it off right away. It's not an issue with most of my 5/12 roofs with steel - but flatter roofs can be a problem. Technically, a 2 x 12 of the strongest wood is rated for a 17 foot span at 60 lbs. of used on 16" centers, and 14 1/2 foot on 24" centers.

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Walt Davies

05-17-2007 11:22:01




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to jdemaris, 05-17-2007 06:01:26  
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I have 5 acres of Douglas Fir you are welcome to come cut a few for personal use. I think its about $1500 per 1000 right now. Boy I remember when my uncle complained when finished lumber went from $50 to $55 per 1000.
Walt



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jdemaris

05-17-2007 11:37:08




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to Walt Davies, 05-17-2007 11:22:01  
I've never even seen a Douglas Fir in real life. Here in New York we have lots of White and Red Pine, Hemlock, White Spruce, Beech, White Birch, Hard and Soft Maple, Red and White Oak, - but the only thing we have that is called Fir is Balsalm Fir. It used to be a used for its oil taken from the needles - to make perfume. But, the wood itself is useless.
As I recall - the Douglas Fir isn't even a true Fir tree - some kind of Larch I think.

Whatever it is - my local lumber years won't special order it anymore - too expensive, I guess.
Been that way for 15 years at least.

On the subject of wood and where it comes from - believe it or not, I just bought a bunch for framing lumber and all the 24 foot 2X4s are from Russia! What the heck sense does that make? I can understand with certain exotic hardwoods - but spruce framing lumber?

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Paul from MI

05-17-2007 05:12:22




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to John S-B, 05-16-2007 20:15:07  
You might want to look into some of the manufactured beams that are available. You don"t have much pitch so the snow load could get pretty heavy. Just a thought.
Paul



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MarkB_MI

05-17-2007 03:41:57




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to John S-B, 05-16-2007 20:15:07  
The table I have shows even 2x10's to be marginal at 24" OC. If you want to use 2x8's, I think you'll need to go 16" OC. You might be able to get away with 2x8's 24" OC with steel roofing, since it's a lot lighter than shingles, but I sure wouldn't try 36" OC.



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Mike Van

05-17-2007 02:57:15




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to John S-B, 05-16-2007 20:15:07  
Like Walt said, heavy wet snow could be a killer. I'm sure the code calls for 2 x 10's min. If it doesn't have to pass code, you can get away with the 2x 6's if you double them up AND in between the two, glue [like with PL400] & screw 6" wide 8' strips of plywood. That'll make it a lot stronger.



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John S-B

05-17-2007 04:32:05




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to Mike Van, 05-17-2007 02:57:15  
I hadn't thought of making my own glue-lam, I think it would work with treated plywood. I don't need to worry about code with an ag building where I'm at, but of course I don't want it falling down either.



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Walt Davies

05-16-2007 22:13:14




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to John S-B, 05-16-2007 20:15:07  
if you live in snow country it won't last past the first big snow storm. I wouldn't use anything less than 2X10s at 2 ft. centers. On a house we built in southern OR we had 2X 12s on 2 ft. center for a 20 ft. span with a 10 in 12 pitch.
And for some reason on the second floor we had to use 2X12s on 1 ft. centers on a 20 ft. span I still think it over kill. But better safe than sorry. Call the building department an ask them what they recommend. Walt

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old

05-16-2007 20:35:39




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 Re: OT Max rafter length in reply to John S-B, 05-16-2007 20:15:07  
Double up the 2X6s and you add more then twice the stringht to it. Or triple 2X4s and again you get even more. If done right that is. My self I use steel for most of my buildings but I salvage old mobile homes for the frames and use them to build with



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