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O.T. How to figure custom rates?

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Gary Nachtman

05-15-2007 17:43:54




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Was wanting some openions here. I custome bale hay for some people. Got a different tractor and etc so refiguring what I charge. I know feul, labor, and etc. What I was wondering was like wear and tear, depreation, and that kinda stuff? Some of the dealers will rent out a baler for $4/bale. So I always took that and figured in my time, twine, feul and thats kinda what I used. They wont tell me how they came up with the $4. Im sure that there making money and keeping up wear and tear. Is that too cheap? I got a different tractor this year and kinda have to figure in the wear and tear/ deperation thing for that also. Some people chagre around $10 to bale and $20 for everything @ 2000# bale. I think thats a little high.

So I ask how do most people figure deperatoin and wear?

Any info would be great...Thanks

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mjbrown

05-16-2007 06:08:59




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 Re: O.T. How to figure custom rates? in reply to Gary Nachtman, 05-15-2007 17:43:54  
I think the IRS figures ten year depreciation on farm machinery so figure 10% a year of the replacement cost for wear and tear. You'll probably come up with a number that no one will pay for custome work.



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Walt Davies

05-15-2007 23:07:32




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 Re: O.T. How to figure custom rates? in reply to Gary Nachtman, 05-15-2007 17:43:54  
Out here we usually figure 80% of the cost of a ton of hay for cutting hay for someone else.

If you don't charge enough you will loose more than its worth. I have two friends that I cut their hay at 50/50 but they also help me get my hay in barn and that saves me a lot.

Neighbors need to work together these days.
Walt



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Gary Nachtman

05-15-2007 20:33:32




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 Re: O.T. How to figure custom rates? in reply to Gary Nachtman, 05-15-2007 17:43:54  
University of NE puts out custom rates for Ne. Ave in different parts of the state. Like I say how do you figure wear and tear, cost of ownership, get it paid off without having to keep it for 40 years! We use it to put up our own and if we make a buck or two what the heck! Now days hardly no body stacks, so everybody about has a baler. So not trying to undercut anybody to get jobs, just want to make sure Im not screwing myself I guess!

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John (C-IL)

05-15-2007 19:27:51




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 Re: O.T. How to figure custom rates? in reply to Gary Nachtman, 05-15-2007 17:43:54  
MACHINERY COST ESTIMATES: FORAGE FIELD OPERATIONS

This publication shows estimated costs for owning and operating forage machinery. These estimates aid in determining custom rates and analyzing machinery costs on farms. Costs are estimated for charges for overhead (depreciation, interest, insurance, housing and repairs), fuel, and labor. Allowances for profit are not included. Charging custom rates at estimated costs should cover all costs, but will not generate a profit. Adding 5 to 15 percent to estimated costs may be appropriate for determining custom rates.

Costs are given for:

1. Cutting, conditioning and raking hay,

2. Baling hay,

3. Harvesting forages as silage.

Cutting, Conditioning and Raking Hay

Table 1 shows costs per acre for cutting, conditioning and raking hay. Formulas published by the American Society of Agricultural Engineers are used to calculate costs. Costs are based on buying new machinery and holding machinery for 10 years. Other variables used in calculating costs are shown in Table 2.

Costs per acre in Table 1 are divided into four categories:

Tractor overhead includes depreciation, interest, insurance, housing, and repair charges for tractors used to pull implements.

Implement overhead includes depreciation, interest, insurance, housing, and repair charges for the implement.

Fuel and lube costs are based on diesel fuel priced at $2.50 per gallon. Lubrication cost is 10 percent of fuel cost.

Labor costs are based on a $13.50 per hour labor charge. Labor time is 10 percent more than operating time of the tractor or self-propelled machine.

The sickle bar and rotary mowers cut a 9 foot swath and are assumed to be used 50 hours per year. Sickle bar mowers have higher costs per acre than rotary mowers because field capacity is less for sickle bar mowers.

The pull-type mower/conditioner cuts a 9 foot swath. Per acre costs are based on cutting 340 acres per year. The self-propelled conditioner cuts a 14 foot swath and is assumed to cover 1,470 acres per year.

The costs of side delivery and wheeled rakes are based on covering 540 acres per year with 18 foot rakes. The tedder is 17 feet wide and is assumed to cover 510 acres per year.

Annual use has impacts on costs. On a annual basis, implement overhead costs are relatively constant no matter how many acres are covered. Reducing acres by 50 percent from those listed above will result in an 80 percent increase in implement overhead. A 50 percent increase in acres results in a 25 percent decrease in implement overhead.

Baling Hay

Costs per acre for hay baling are shown in Table 3. These costs only include baler operation costs. Not included are costs of moving hay to storage. Costs per acre represent an average over all cuttings. During the first cutting, production may be greater than later cuttings, increasing the amount of time required to cover an acre. Therefore, costs per acre may be higher for the first cutting than for later cuttings.

All balers in Table 3 are assumed to be used 100 hours per year, resulting in 327 acres covered with the small square baler, 873 acres for the 1,000 lb. square baler, and 355 acres for the round baler.

Baling costs can also be stated on a per bale basis. The following costs are based on a 1.3 ton yield per acre.

Type Costs per bale 50 lb.square bale $.44 1,000 lb square bale $6.81 1,000 lb. round bale $8.73

Costs per bale tend to be more stable for level of production than are costs on a per acre basis.

Harvesting Forages as Silage

Costs per acre for silage harvesting are shown in Table 4. This table list costs for two types of harvesters:

1. A pull-type forage harvester with a 3-row, 30-inch head for harvesting corn. This unit's list price is $27,800, the hay pickup's list price is $4,300, and the corn head's list price is $13.000. Each year, 200 acres of corn silage, 200 acres of first cut hay, and 200 acres of later cuttings are harvested.

2. A 370-horsepower, self-propelled forage harvester with a 6-row, 30-inch head for harvesting corn. The list price of the harvester is $193,000, the hay pickup's list price is $14,400, and the corn head's list price is $45,700. Each year, 450 acres of corn silage, 450 acres of first cut hay, and 450 acres of latter cuttings are harvesting

Per hour corn silage harvesting costs vary between the two machines. The pull-type harvester is estimated to harvest 1.9 acres per hour while the self-propelled unit harvests 4.5 acres per hour. Based on costs shown in Table 4, per hour costs for harvesting corn silage are:

Type $ per hour Pull-type $112 Self-propelled $252

Use has impacts on costs. The majority of implement overhead costs is for depreciation and interest. On an annual basis, depreciation and interest are relatively constant no matter how many acres are covered. Reducing annual use by 50 percent from those listed above will result in an 80 percent increase in implement overhead. A 50 percent increase in annual use results in a 25 percent decrease in implement overhead.

Prepared by: Gary Schnitkey and Dale Lattz, Department of Agricultural and Consumer Economics, University of Illinois

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Gerald J.

05-15-2007 19:17:48




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 Re: O.T. How to figure custom rates? in reply to Gary Nachtman, 05-15-2007 17:43:54  
I know Iowa and Missouri extension publish annual reports on custom rates. They show a range, and probably discuss in that or another how to compute custom rates. Depreciation and wear are bound to be the most difficult to figure when plan to run a machine forever.

Gerald J.



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