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Don59

05-14-2007 11:17:46




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I recently purchased a small farm and wanted to get some advice and opinions from people with experience concerning what size tractor (HP) would best serve me for bush-hogging, plowing, planting & maintaining approximately 50-60 acres? Thank you to all responses.




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Mr Bob

05-16-2007 21:40:43




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
I'd opt for a Massey Ferguson 65 or 165. They would be ample power for your operation. An 860 Ford or AC D17 or AC D15 would also meet your needs very well. If you wanted a second tractor, I'd consider a Farmall Super C or perhaps a Ferguson 20/30/35 or an N Series Ford. Any of these can be found reasonably priced, and could fill your needs just well as something newer or bigger and much more expensive.

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Jason, NW Ontario

05-15-2007 14:03:37




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
50 acres for corn and hay... We've got 160 but only work on 50-60 (rest is pasture or bush). I think 2 tractors are better than one. Our biggest is 54 at the pto - has a good loader and filled tires - could handle round bales, but we don't, can pull the 9 ft haybine around easily enough. The other is a Fordson Major diesel (40hp?). So when one is still baling, the other is pulling the hay wagon and then running the pto elevator to the hay loft. Our smallest is an old Case VA with loader (our tiny gas utility machine). It pushes around manure and snow, harrows the garden, and for something like raking it would be wasteful to run a big machine when something like a VA could do it. I guess that's 3 tractors, but the VA is at another distant property. I'd look at a bigger diesel machine with loader and cab, and a small old cheap utility using either gas or diesel. good luck.

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Walt Davies

05-14-2007 22:44:00




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
One thing that no one has mentioned is what type of tractor do you want. A wheatland tractor will be best for Plowing and disking a hi-boy like my Cockshutt 35 will be best for row crops. Don't get one of those new fangled little short things with a bucket and scraper that some companies put out now they are made for industrial use not farming. Get an older tractor or look hard for a long wheel-base new one it will be much easier on the BUTT and will handle the plowing and disking much better.
I have two Kubota's one short and one long wheel-base and the long one is so much better when working a field.
I had fun with you and the rest of the guys with that big Case-IH 450 but I live in the Willamette Valley and the farms are huge and you see some awfully big rigs around here. They can do 100 acres before breakfast and have time to go get the mail. I think you could handle a few acres with a 50 to 60 HP but I think that you will want to move up a little someday to a 100 to 120 HP.
Remember now we are talking drawbar not PTO or engine HP.
Walt

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RodInNS

05-15-2007 06:34:21




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Walt Davies, 05-14-2007 22:44:00  
Honestly, I don't see the point of that big a tractor for 50 acres. There's farms here plowing and growing vegetables on 200 + acres and the biggest tractor is 85-90 hp. The rest of us in dairy only have bigger for running forage harvesters and manure spreaders.... and I'm still getting by fine with about 100. Going any larger for a utility tractor is just going to burn fuel, and provide a big clumsy tractor. You can plow 3 acres an hour with a mounted 4 bottom behind either of my bigger tractors.... 50 acres is only a long day's work, and Ford 7000 is more than able.

Rod

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RodInNS

05-14-2007 19:36:22




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
I would think that anything in the 50-70 hp range should be fine. I can't imagine why you would need 100 hp, or for that matter, even want that for what you're doing. The biggest I've got is a Ford 7710 turned to a little over 100.... and that's going over several hundred acres.
I'd suggest something like a Ford 5610 or 6610 for no reason other than it has a more modern hydraulic system and a few little ammenties like that which go with a modern tractor. Other than that, an old Ford 5000 is damn near bulletproof.... it just doesn't have so much in the hydraulic department. Again, I'm biased towards Ford, but there's lots of others out there.

Rod

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kyplowboy

05-14-2007 18:09:17




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
I am like most on here, 60-80 range would be good for you. Yes a 100+ is chaper per hp, but will be big and hard to get around on a small farm. Nothing like ride"n round plow"n on a 60 year old 20 hp, but some times that gets old when you have to get stuff done and they are giv"n rain for the next day. If you are going to stick with one tractor, look for somthing made mid 70"s early 80"s in the 60-80 hp range. Equipment for these are most of the time cheap. You can get a 10foot disk for about the same money as a 6. Just as an example I raise 4 acres of tobacco and have 65 acres of hay/pasture with a 6700 ford. It is big enough to pull a 3-16 plow, does not get pushed down hills infront of a 605C baler, and is small enough I do not feel dumb plow"n tobacco or rake"n hay with it.(I have got a ford 960 just for these task but that is because I have always wanted one, not because I needed it.) So many people around home think they need a 100 or so hp tractor of a certin color just to raise a garden and mow thier 5 acre horse pasture, it is just over kill. Just my think"n.

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Butcher

05-14-2007 17:36:31




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
Dont know were your located or what you plan on doing with your new farm but, back in 73 our big tractor was a 756D. Did all the tillage work and planting. That was on 190 acres. Had an old 400 that had a mounted picker on it to pick ear corn for the hogs also. I served as a wagon puller, loader tractor and was used to clean out the cattle lot and hog lot.
I guess it all boils down to how much $$$$ you got and how much time you got to get the job done.
I gots to get this in though. Oliver gets the job done!

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MF Poor

05-14-2007 17:20:15




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
A tractor without implements is like an airplane without a runway. You have to consider the price and availability of implements to match up with the size and horsepower you choose. That said, even if you can buy a 100 hp tractor cheaper than 50 to 75 hp models, they might not be that good of a deal in the long run.

CAT I medium to heavy duty implements will work with tractors in the 50 to 75 hp range, they're more common, cheaper in most cases. CAT II implements that fit that size tractor are fairly easy to come by also.

I farmed just under 200 acres for 35 years with a 60 hp tractor as my biggest for most of those years. I bought a 110 hp tractor and ran into the higher cost of implements when my smaller ones were just too small for that sort of power. So I sold the big tractor. I'm semi-retired now. Still have 45 acres and care for the place with a 47hp, and 40 hp tractor. (still have the 60hp tractor but I leave it at my sons place most of the time.)

60 hp will handle an 8" to 10' mower, a 3-bottom plow, 10' to 12' disc, 4 or 6 row planters, a mid-sized round baler, most mower/conditioners, a fair sized disc mower, and will generally be big enough/heavy enough to handle a loaded hay rack or round bales.

Best buys (HP per $) on tractors in that size range are Massey's, Fords, and International Harvesters from mid 1960's through late 1980's. Parts and service is easy to come by on those brands too. (IMHO)

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Don59

05-14-2007 17:35:51




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to MF Poor, 05-14-2007 17:20:15  
Excellent information, thank you! I have honestly been considering a 1979 MF 235. 2 owners 1450 hrs. Excellent condition, barn kept.
I would like your personal opinion on this particular tractor if you do not mind. Thank you again!



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georgeky

05-14-2007 19:07:31




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 17:35:51  
That is the tractor you need right there.



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Don59

05-14-2007 19:37:46




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to georgeky, 05-14-2007 19:07:31  
Thanks a million!!!



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MF Poor

05-14-2007 18:02:14




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 17:35:51  
Well, one of my tractors (and my FAVORITE) is a Massey 150. The 235 is a bit lighter, but basically the same powertrain as a 150. VERY fine tractors, very fuel efficient, easy to work on, easy to find parts if and when needed. My 150 was the very first new tractor I owned. Still have it 36 years later, and it's ready for ANOTHER 36. That's low hours. Especially a good tractor if it's a diesel. You just can't beat those little Perkins 3-bangers.

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jmixigo

05-14-2007 17:51:55




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 17:35:51  
The Massey 235 is a real good tractor. A little light, and I'm a Ford tractor fan, but it's a good un, especially as a first tractor.



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135 Fan

05-14-2007 21:06:19




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to jmixigo, 05-14-2007 17:51:55  
Wow! Interesting opinions. Any MF with the 3 cylinder Perkins, 35, 135, 235, 230, 245 etc. would be an excellent choice. If you wanted a little more power you could go up to a 165, 255, 265 size. Consider what implements you may want later on. Anything over 60 HP would be overkill. Dave



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05-14-2007 17:16:15




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
I would get a one hundred horse tractor with a loader,three point,cab with heater,etc. Then I would get something like a Massey 135, then some implements,(mower,baler,rake,manure spreader,skip,tillage tools,back blade,box blade.I would like a Super W 6.They are great with live power takeoff for that small aquare baler.Do you need a snow blower? Front mount? Oh yeah, a small older but pristine combine and swather.Augers. A nice one ton truck with a flatdeck dump! O.K. a large implement shed. Oh and a 1069 SP bale wagon.Retrofit a chevy 350 in it and Go! Hope this helps. Oh and maybe one or two more "odd job" tractors.

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Allan In NE

05-14-2007 16:51:34




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
60 to 70 horse in a small frame sized tractor.

Anything bigger is a total waste of horsepower, money and would be "unhandy" to say the least.

Additionaly, you don't have enough work for a larger tractor and lettin' 'em just "set around" is the worst thing you can do to a tractor.

Just my view,

Allan



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Pappy

05-14-2007 16:25:28




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
What is going on here???? People advising you to get 80 to 100 HP tractor??? We farmed 120 acres with an "H" John Deere. About 19 HP. With the size of your farm, you don't need more than 35 HP. You could probably get a good tractor in this size for $1200.



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Steven@AZ

05-14-2007 18:04:14




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Pappy, 05-14-2007 16:25:28  
Amen. The Farmall H was marketed for farms around 160 acres. If you want "modern" amenities, look for a 300/350/460 -those will have live hydraulics, independent PTO, and can come with a 2-point hitch (convert to 3-pt).



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georgeky

05-14-2007 16:50:43




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Pappy, 05-14-2007 16:25:28  
Amen Pappy.



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Gerald J.

05-14-2007 15:15:59




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
The gas 4020 will cost no more to buy than the gas or diesel 35 hp utility tractor and will walk through snow without chains that will stop the utility tractor. The 4020 will allow cultivating 3' tall row crops or spraying them while the untility tractor will lay them over.

The diesel 4020 will bring more, and there were two major variations on the 4020 where the later one (with side console and remote valve on the rear) brings a significant price premium.

There are many others nearly all made if far fewer quantities so the selection is very much smaller and so is also more collectable made by manufacturers that no longer exist which makes parts less sure and mechanics few.

The gas 4020 is not a miser on fuel, it has lots of hydraulic operated options (like steering and brakes) that take extra fuel and then there's no added ignition advance for part throttle operation that kills engine performance and efficiency.

Gerald J.

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Luke S

05-14-2007 15:01:25




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
What are you going to plow and plant? And how many of the acre's are you actually going to plow and plant? I think these guys recomending all these big old heavy beasts are missing the mark. Sure you can buy em cheap, but you'll pay for it twice repairing and maintaining a 30-40 year old tractor. Been there done that. Bought an Oliver 1955(108 hp) that looked excelent, gave $6,000, after two years of work and about another $6,000 I had a tractor that was somewhat reliable, not as reliable as new but I could get by. But it still was barely worth the $6,000 I gave for it. Buy just as new a tractor as you can afford. And I'd probably recomend going with a 40-55hp tractor as the big ones are just to clumsy for a lot of jobs.

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Don59

05-14-2007 15:46:04




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Luke S, 05-14-2007 15:01:25  
"Finding" & posting on this forum is obviously one of the best things I could have done. I am grateful to everyone that has responded. It is a definite learning curve for me and I appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge & experiences with me. I am not a wealthy guy so the $200,000 & $300,000 tractor is out of my league and does seem large. I will be & planting mostly approximately 20 acres of sweet corn and also about 20 acres of hay. I want to use the tractor for general purpose chores around the farm as well. Some of the things shared with me so far on this site are things I would not have thought of and is valuable information and will save me some possible future frustration. I actually have spoke to a couple of local folks as well and continue to read also and educate myself as to hopefully make a wise decision when I do purchase a tractor. As of now I was leaning towards a tractor in the 50 hp range. I am enjoying your responses and am soaking up all this info like a sponge! Thanks guys...keep it coming!

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georgeky

05-14-2007 16:49:36




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 15:46:04  
For what you are talking about a good Super C with attachments will easily handle your chores. They can be bought including equipment for them for 3 or 4000 dollars. It will pull a 6 or 7 foot bushhog,cut hay,bale hay, plow, pull a 7 foot disk, cultivate and fertilize your sweet corn,and nearly any type of chore. They don't burn much gas, are cheap and easy to work on. Parts are available, just hard to beat. When I was a kid at home we raised 60 acres of corn, 300 acres of hay 15 acres of tobacco and mowed all the pasture which was another 400 acres with 2 Super Cs. We did work from daylight til dark every day, but they will do lots of work. A newer more modern tractor will suit you better, but my point is you do not need any of these big expensive to work on tractors that have been suggested. Some may feel I am crazy, but buying something you just don't need is crazy. Lots of folks here take care of several hundred acres of pasture and crop land with 2 or 3 50 to 60 HP tractors. I live on 900 were I grow 15 acres of tobacco 125 acres of corn and 180 acres of soybeans + hay and 90 cows and have another 200 acres of hay rented and my biggest tractor is a 65 HP 666 IH tractor. I do have several others, but they are smaller.

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MSM

05-14-2007 14:11:04




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
My first consideration would be where is the nearest dealer. Parts and service will become an issue somewhere down the road. An inexpensive tractor that requires service from a dealer 75-100 miles away won't stay cheap long.
Secondly a larger tractor 70-100 hp will probably cost less than a 40-50 hp. Everyone wants a small tractor and the prices reflect it.You can probably purchase a 3020 JD,806 Int. or something equivalent in the 6-9K range. It will get your work done faster by the use of somewhat larger equipment 10 foot mower instead of a 6 footer,4-5 bottom plow instead of a 2 or 3 bottom,etc.
Shop around, ask your neighbors,when you find something, ask questions here,there is alot of knowledge on these boards.Just don't get in a big yank and buy the first thing you see,that usually tends to turn around and bite you.

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HAPPY DEERE

05-14-2007 13:52:20




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
id look for a good 4020 john deere if you were wanting to buy new then cant go wrong wit a 5303



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Walt Davies

05-14-2007 12:41:36




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
If I had to plow 50 acres I would want something over 100 HP with dual wheels and a big 5 to 10 bottom plow. Think big and you won't be out there all day playing in the field. A nice Case IH 450 quad tract will only run around $300,000 new maybe $200,000 or a little less used and will sure make it an easy job On top of that you can do work for others in the neighborhood.

But i thing a good used IH 1066 to a 1466 will give you plenty of power and won't cost an arm an a leg.
My friend has a nice 1066 that he pulls a very big 5 bottom plow with can do 5 acres in less than an hour. Go see what your new neighbors are using an talk to those who are actually farming the plae not playing farmer.
Walt

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Allan In NE

05-14-2007 17:06:43




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Walt Davies, 05-14-2007 12:41:36  
Geeze Walt,

He said 50, not 500. :>)

Allan



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Walt Davies

05-14-2007 22:21:56




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Allan In NE, 05-14-2007 17:06:43  
Hey think big. I guess you didn't read the whole message I told him an IH 1066 would be a good tractor for him. That's not a big tractor like the the Case IH 450 but it will sure get the job done.
Walt



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kopeck

05-15-2007 06:00:51




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Walt Davies, 05-14-2007 22:21:56  
Ya know, he said 50 total, I don't think he's going to be plowing he house and yard under as well! For all we know he might be just plowing up a little pea patch. One pass with a 5 bottom an your done for the year. :-P

Something around 40-50 hp sounds about right.



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Allan In NE

05-14-2007 23:56:13




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Walt Davies, 05-14-2007 22:21:56  
Comon',

Quit yankin' the guy around. You know perfectly well that a 1066 is way too big for a little 50/60 acre farm.

Allan



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georgeky

05-14-2007 12:56:02




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Walt Davies, 05-14-2007 12:41:36  
For 50 acres!! I think not. I can plow 5 to 6 acres a day my Super C and 2x12 plow. I can plow the whole 50 acres in 3 days with my M and 3x14 plow. A good 40 to 50 HP tractor will serve very well on a farm that size, and will not cost a fortune to put fuel in it. I don't see how folks got by with A and B John Deeres or H and M Farmalls all those years. If this is modern logic no wonder so many have gone broke farming.

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05-14-2007 12:17:35




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
I have 44 acres and my self I could never get by with just one tractor. Shoot just this past week I have used at least 5 or 6 of them. I would look for some thing with 3 point hitch, live PTO or indepentent PTO and live hyds. Probably some where around 50 HP give or take a little. A lot depends on what type of ground you have and what all you plan to do with it. I do hay and a few food plots and I could never get by with just one tractor. Right now I have 3 of them hooked up and ready to cut hay, rake hay and bale hay.

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souNdguy

05-14-2007 12:06:03




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
50-60 ac is a decent amount of land. i'd say that yuo are well into utility, or AG country. In fact.. I wouldn't even look at the small utility tractors.. Probably go for 60+ hp.. On up to your hearts or wallets desire.

Some pretty good 'old' hp at cheap prices in the 105-150 hp range between Allis chalmers, Ford 8/9???'s and the big case and MF's

If looking at ford.. I'd say a good 5000 minimum.. if not a 5600 / 7600+

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the tractor vet

05-14-2007 11:52:22




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
Well any GOOD tractor as i am not going to start a color war here as what i like and you like are not going to be the same but myself i would be looken in the 60-80 hp. range for the big tractor with a wide ft. live hyd. and live PTO and DIESEL since they have plum lost there minds on gas prices . You will find that you will not be happy with just ONE tractor and you will want something smaller like in the 35-50 HP range in a utility with a loader . Stay with the major mfg. as parts supplys are there and you will need parts . Don't jump on the first thing ya see and if you do not know much about equipment get some help from someone that realy knows equipment not some weasel salesman even if ya have to take him out for dinner.

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redbone

05-14-2007 11:51:32




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
it also depends on how long you want it to take to do the work. For example, if you want to get the bushhogging over in one day, a larger, more hp tractor is what you want. but if you dont mind taking more time, you can get a 30-40 hp tractor. smaller tractors will do ALMOST anything a larger will do, it will just take them longer.

Also, if you live in a colder area, you might have trouble starting some of the older diesels.

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John (MO)

05-14-2007 11:43:59




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
SO much depends on how much you are thinking of spending for a tractor and equipment. John Deere, Kubota and Agco make some nice 30 to 50 HP tractors.

Since this is Yesterdaystractors forum, maybe you want to go with something that is older. If that is the case, I would suggest you look at tractors in the 75 to 120 HP range. The reason being, they are not usually large enough for crop production farmers to still be using and often thought to be too big for hobby farmers. Therefore they can sometimes be bought WAY cheap. Now John Deere makes and made fine equipment, not many will argue that, but in my opinion lots of people will pay way way too much for the green paint and JD logo. If you want good usuable equipment from the 1960`s, 1970`s or 1980`s I suggest you look at Allis Chalmers, Case, Ford, International, Massey, Oliver or White. Buy a brand that was popular in your area, during the time it was new and you should have no problem with any parts you may need.

I have used 30-40 HP tractors for years to put in food plots, mow, brush hog, and do little tillage jobs, then I stumbled across an 80 HP tractor that was selling dirt cheap. Wow, what a difference. Yes it will burn a gallon and a half more fuel per hour if you are working it, but it will do so much more work than the little tractors would. And the little jobs, it will do them so much easier. In my opinion, you can work hard with a little tractor or you can work smart with a little bigger tractor. The only problem I see with a 75 HP or larger tractor is that they don`t get around and under trees as well as the smaller ones, if that is an issue.

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Mike M

05-14-2007 11:40:21




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 Re: Tractor HP Advice in reply to Don59, 05-14-2007 11:17:46  
Hard to go wrong with a JD 4020 ? But then you can about buy a newer model with a cab like a 4230 for the same money.



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