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Allan In NE

05-06-2007 11:38:15

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Went out to the farm this morning, threw on the duals and hooked up the disc to comence my yearly war on the weeds in the summer fallow if and when the field ever dries up.

I swear, those suckers are getting heavier every year! :>(

Allan

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JoeBob/IN

05-07-2007 09:21:45

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

Ah come on now! You think those are a hassle? I put the duals on this tractor myself 3 years ago... and I dismounted the tires from the neighbors rims and put on the current rims myself. Yes those are 20.8-38's. No I didn't use a loader of any kind, all by hand.

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PhilcaseinWPa

05-07-2007 05:54:58

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

Allan,
I always enjoy your posts and pictures but I didn't think there were that many trees in all of Nebraska.

One other question I have for you and any one else out on the prarie, I know you always have a lot of wind so how do you get your spraying done without a lot of drift? Yesterday I was wanting to spray some sweetcorn ground and the wind just wouldn't calm down. Finally settled down until i filled the sprayer then started again. I got it done but wasn't real comfortable about it. At least the patches were not near any property lines or other crops. Just how do you guys deal with the wind? I do a lot of my insecticide and fungicide spraying in the late evening or after dark when the wind is usually calm.
Phil

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David Snipes

05-07-2007 11:20:38

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Re: At The Ready in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 05-07-2007 05:54:58

I think he has the trees digitally inserted by the computer!

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Roger in Iowa

05-06-2007 19:54:25

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

Allan, drive a couple of steel posts about 3' apart and lean a dual against them. Wire the tire (dual)up so it won't fall on someone. Then you do not have to lift them up off the ground! (Hernia time)

Roger in Iowa

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Don-Wi

05-06-2007 22:19:26

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Roger in Iowa, 05-06-2007 19:54:25

I don't thik hat's the lifting he's talking about. It's the part where ya gotta lift the ring on the dual up into the rim on the tractor.

We always have to run the tractor up on a board or 2 so you can get the dual on the tractor. get the bottom of the ring in, have a clamp ready, and heave-ho till it's on the rim and be quick with your 1 free hand to get the top clamp on. After the top clamp holds it from falling back down, then you can take your time with the other clamps. If it falls over, depending on which one it is i can pick it up or I'll get the loader with a chain and pick it up. No way am i gonna lift an 18.4-38 without some help. A 18.4-34 is quite a bit lighter.

Still hurt if they fall and catch you with that ring though- had one scrape against my leg really bad when I was younger and helping dad put the 34's on the 285. It got away from him while I was goin in with the clamp- just lucky it didn't break my leg!!

Donovan from Wisconsin

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fixerupper

05-06-2007 16:18:30

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

Allan, this spring I discovered a safe way to put the duals on. Get the loader with the grapple claw and gently grab the dual with the dual just on the lip of the bucket and the claw teeth grabbing the dual (gently) on the top. Then just drive up to the tractor that's getting the dual and push it on. Have the dual off to one side of the bucket so you can see what you're doing. I tried it because my back was too sore to wrestle it by hand,and it worked great. On the first try I got lucky and hit the hub right the first time. The second dual took a couple of drive-ups to hit the jackpot. Jim

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Allan In NE

05-06-2007 16:28:43

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Re: At The Ready in reply to fixerupper, 05-06-2007 16:18:30

I hear ya,

These are clamp ons tho. I just tip 'em up and throw the hold-bolts to 'em. Only takes about 5 minutes a side. Hardest part is getting the dudes up off the turf. :>)

Allan

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Don-Wi

05-06-2007 19:12:06

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 16:28:43

5 minutes a side? Man, you must still be pretty strong if you can do it that fast. I always make sure to get the valve stems lined up, then in the past I'd have to tighten them up slowly with a wrench. Used to take close to 30 minutes per side with a wrench. Since I made the socket this year I got it down to about 10-15 per side. That includes mesing with the clamps to loosen them up enough to first get ahold of the eye. Not the biggest deal if the stems don't line up together, just the way we do it. It is a lot easier than having to line up a couple holes.

Don't know what everyone's problem is with clamp-ons, that's all we ever use and they work just fine. Don't think there's any way to get axel/hub mount duals on our Massey's anyway- No axel to clamp another hub onto, just a hub coming straight outta the rear end. The Olivers sure could get a set of axel mounts, but man they can get expensive.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Allan In NE

05-07-2007 03:54:36

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Don-Wi, 05-06-2007 19:12:06

Hi Don,

Yeah, I couldn't figure out why you needed that long, deep-barreled socket. I can have 'em on there in the time it would take to hook up the air hose. :>)

The trick is to get that tractor at the right height.

Allan

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the tractor vet

05-06-2007 15:45:02

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

WHAT CLAMP ON'S what in the world are ya thinking here . . sure hope your not running the same air pressure in the duals as the inboards.

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Allan In NE

05-06-2007 16:12:39

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Re: At The Ready in reply to the tractor vet, 05-06-2007 15:45:02

Yeah,

Ain't it awful? What's the derned fool thinking of anyway? :>)

Allan

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BobHnwOh

05-06-2007 14:28:44

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

This is what we use around here on fall plowed ground!

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Donnie Baker

05-06-2007 12:56:53

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

Dear gawd man I can't believe the IH clan isn't climbing all over your case for using clamp on duals all we ever heard was use hub mount duals on red tractors, I gotta go

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Glenn F.

05-06-2007 13:04:46

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Donnie Baker, 05-06-2007 12:56:53

If mud's not a problem, clamp on duals are just fine.

Glenn

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Donnie Baker

05-06-2007 13:12:48

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Glenn F., 05-06-2007 13:04:46

Not mud, the cast centers were hard enough to keep tight on the axle without the stress of duals added in around here they sell an aftermarket type of wedge lock to tighten the hubs on the axle, I gotta go

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Glenn F.

05-06-2007 18:14:53

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Donnie Baker, 05-06-2007 13:12:48

Oh...I thought you'd left already. Ha!

Glenn

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Steven@AZ

05-06-2007 12:45:48

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

We used a chisel plow with a rod weeder attachment when we summer fallowed back in the day. Even better moisture and erosion control can be obtained by just working the outside round and then chemical fallowing. Don't see much summer fallow any more in our parts, all solid cropping now in our area of SW ND.

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37 chief

05-06-2007 21:31:04

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Steven@AZ, 05-06-2007 12:45:48

Is Mohall ND anywhere near you? My Mom grew up there. I would like to go to ND while I can still drive. Stan

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Steven@AZ

05-07-2007 07:37:55

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Re: At The Ready in reply to 37 chief, 05-06-2007 21:31:04

Our farm is in the SW corner of the state, about 40 miles South of Dickinson. Mohall is a few miles away... about 225 miles mostly North up by Canada.

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05-06-2007 12:16:55

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

Just wondering the size of the header in the background, I seem to recall you had a (F) gleaner. I could use something that big on my (K)sense the easter weekend freeze.

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Allan In NE

05-06-2007 16:15:02

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Re: At The Ready in reply to RJ, 05-06-2007 12:16:55

Dunno, can't remember what the heck it is.

Looks like maybe an 18'? I'll check the next time I'm out there.

Allan

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Coloken

05-06-2007 12:11:51

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

It is a waste of words but I will say it again. A double disk is the worst machine made for summmer fallow. Number one: it never kills 100 percent, all ways leaves a few to transplant so you have to do it all over more oftem. Number 2: it drys out the ground. Every time you go over it you loose something like 30 percent of moisture. Many years of testing at Acron experment station in eastern Colo. A disk is made to incorporate trash ino the soil, so if that is what you want..go for it.

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Allan In NE

05-06-2007 13:47:16

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Coloken, 05-06-2007 12:11:51

Don't have any clue as to what else to use Ken.

First time over some heavily roped sod that was plowed last fall. You tell me what implement to use and I'll sure go unhook the disc.

Do I really come off as that big of an idiot?

Allan

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Chad Franke

05-07-2007 06:17:54

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 13:47:16

I tend to agree with Kenny that you need a sweep plow, or blade machine. But if this is the first time over some plowed sod, I'll tend to agree that a disc is probably needed to get the roots cut up to decompose. Do some looking though for a blade machine, you will loose much less moisture, but as Kenny had said before, may not be as much an issue for your soil, I grew up in sand, it will dry down to zero moisture if you give it a chance. I'll get a picture if you want.

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Coloken

05-06-2007 14:58:23

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 13:47:16

Didn't mean to insult--we're too good a buddies for that. Just that I see the irigated farmers here that need a disk, using it for summer fallow too and leave about one out of every 10 weeds. Sweep plow for hard soil. Rod weeder with teeth (miller bar)is one heck of a machine if the soil is dry enough. But then I am a trash on top the ground guy, and I don't think thats too important for your heavy soil.

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Allan In NE

05-06-2007 15:12:04

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Coloken, 05-06-2007 14:58:23

Oh heck no,

You didn't insult me at all. I just thought that maybe I was comin' across goofy 'er something. :>)

Allan

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georgeky

05-06-2007 12:17:46

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Coloken, 05-06-2007 12:11:51

In Ky we use a turning plow to incorprate trash into the soil. We use the disk to prepare the seed bed with.

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Coloken

05-06-2007 12:37:23

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Re: At The Ready in reply to georgeky, 05-06-2007 12:17:46

The purpose of "summer fallow" is to keep all the weeds out and store moisture for 2 years to raise one crop. Here in the "dry lands".

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georgeky

05-06-2007 13:11:42

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Coloken, 05-06-2007 12:37:23

We don't have to much trouble with dry weather. We have a drought every once in a while. Most of the time we get plenty of rain. We also cultivate most things, so the weeds aren't to big a problem. We usually mow the weeds before going to seed. Except my next door neighbor, and he never mows anything. Weeds 7 feet tall all over his place. I had it rented for a couple of years and almost had them under control, but wouldn't let his buddies ride horses through the hay fields and lost it.

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georgeky

05-06-2007 11:56:57

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

That is the greenest grass I ever seen in Nebraska. Of course the only time I was ever there was in November to shoot those pheasants.

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rrlund

05-06-2007 11:48:02

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

Threw on the duals? Mercy Allan,how big a fella are ya? I struggle more with those heavy suckers every year.

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Allan In NE

05-06-2007 11:52:11

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Re: At The Ready in reply to rrlund, 05-06-2007 11:48:02

Yeah,

Wrong choice of words. "Put on the duals". :>)

Allan

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Glenn FitzGerald

05-06-2007 11:40:37

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Allan In NE, 05-06-2007 11:38:15

I think this is the first time I've heard you talk about too much moisture!

Glenn

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Allan In NE

05-06-2007 11:45:05

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Re: At The Ready in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 05-06-2007 11:40:37

Nope, I didn't say "too much". It can keep right on a rainin' if it wants. :>)

If ya cuss the rain in this part of the country, they haul you off, screamin' and kickin' to the head-bangy room. :>)

Allan

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