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Kentucky Ed

04-29-2007 16:27:00

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We are a little late, but this is a test for a methyl bromide replacement.

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Jim in NC

04-29-2007 17:47:31

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to Kentucky Ed, 04-29-2007 16:27:00

You guys in KY just now sowing your plant beds? I would figure you would be plantin' by the middle of this month. I used to raise my own plants for flue-cured in plant beds until the last 2 or 3 years I grew it. With the allotments being cut and the cost of the chemicals, I bought greenhouse plants. I really miss growing it, but I quit in 2004. I sold carryover that year. I could not see then and especially now with the increased fuel and labor costs how it would pay off. Rite much burley has moved into this area. Folks claim it is a little more profitable than flue-cured. My question is will anyone grow it unless things change after the buy-out money runs out?

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georgeky

04-29-2007 21:23:26

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to Jim in NC, 04-29-2007 17:47:31

I have had mine sown since the middle of march, but the cool spell has set them back. I think I will be able to set some around the 20th of May, but that is plenty early. June tobacco will out weigh may tobacco anyhow. I have cut way back to what me and the family can take care of ourselves to eliminate the labor bill as much as possible. On some of mine I am coming out a little better than I did raising all that on the halves like I use to do. Now I can raise as much as I want and keep all the money. I didn't raise any in 2002 so I was not eligable for any of the buyout money, except on my place. Since they took away the remaining 6 years of settlement checks, all I get is what I work for.

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Jim in NC

04-30-2007 03:25:45

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to georgeky, 04-29-2007 21:23:26

I find it interesting that the tobacco you plant in June is heavier than that planted earlier. With flue-cured ,it tends to be the opposite. The older generation would think the middle of May was the right time, but I prefer as early as possible with the later maturing varieties that we have now. I always liked to plant mine the last week of April. Later tobacco here is more prone to insect problems. It will put on more leaves, and it will grow taller, but not have more weight. More leaves to handle means more work. If it is topped down to low to compensate, it won't thicken up enough to make the weight.

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georgeky

04-30-2007 07:43:08

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to Jim in NC, 04-30-2007 03:25:45

Here we cut the burley, put it on sticks and hang in barn to air cure. If set real early that means it also has to be housed early and in early August the heat and humidity is sometimes so high that the tobacco will house burn, When it burns the stem will rot out of the leaves, thus making less weight and being a mess when it is taken down from barn. Here on the early tobacco if it gets to much rain in early season it will take away some weight by causing it to grow to fast and be thin leaved. Tobacco is basicly a dry season crop, and sunshine of late summer will put on pounds by causing the leaves to thicken up after topping. The experts claim it will gain 25 lbs per day per acre after topping. Most folks will cut tobacco around 3 weeks after it has been sprayed for suckers. That is to quick because the tobacco is still green at this point. The spray turns it yellow, which lots of folks mistake this for being ripe, The truth of the matter is that it takes it 4 to 6 weeks to ripen after topping. I am sure different soils and growing seasons will affect all of this. The tobacco I set in mid June will usually out weigh my early tobacco set in May by 2 to 500 lbs per acre. And the September weather is a lot better on tobacco in the barn and me to. The heaviest I ever raised was set on the 18th day of June and it weighed 4100 pounds per acre. It was a full season variety that only got 3 and 2/10ths inches of rain all season. It was Tennesse 86. I also get very heavy weights from old Ky 10, but it is prone to Blue mold and blackshank in certain fields.

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Jim in NC

04-30-2007 10:09:12

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to georgeky, 04-30-2007 07:43:08

Yeah, I forgot about curing it when it is too hot. I know how it is cut and cured. The family we swapped help with grew some many years ago. Growers here have been told not to plant it to early because of trying to cure it when it is too hot. Flue-cured will do well in a dry year if it gets water at the rught time. The fellow that ran the warehouse thaT I used to sell now runs a receiving station for Phillip Morris. He has tried to get me to grow some burly, but I am not crazy about all the hoops one has to jump through following the contract. Thanks for sharing the info.

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georgeky

04-30-2007 10:26:13

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to Jim in NC, 04-30-2007 10:09:12

We still have a warehouse that is operating. Year before last, I contracted some with Phillip Morris, but they wanted to pick at it to lower the price that I thought was almost guranteed. So I took mine to the regular sale and it sold 15 to 20 cents more than the contract did. This past season it ran about the same. I got 1.67 for it year before last, and 1.56 this past season. It was good tobacco both years. You are right about the timing of the rain. It dosen.t require to much, but needs it when it needs it.

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georgeky

04-29-2007 17:18:52

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to Kentucky Ed, 04-29-2007 16:27:00

Kentucky Ed, What is the new gas? I am still using whats left of methyl bromide. I don't see any gas tanks on your gasser. Does it come in small cans like Methyl bromide use to?

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Kentucky Ed

04-30-2007 03:03:12

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to georgeky, 04-29-2007 17:18:52

We are experimenting with a liquid called Dazitol. It"s sprayed on the soil, then covered with plastic.

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georgeky

04-30-2007 07:49:35

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to Kentucky Ed, 04-30-2007 03:03:12

Ed let us know how it does as I may go to this in the future. I have a sprayer and a vorlex machine that has been converted to metyhl bromide since the banning of vorlex. Nearly all metyhl bromide has been ban as well. Now I have to go to Frankfurt and buy a big tank full to get any.

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Glen in TX

04-29-2007 16:52:03

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to Kentucky Ed, 04-29-2007 16:27:00

Copy and paste the tag link from photobucket into commments box here not the url or img. On other forums you'll have to enter the img. So how big of a roll of plastic do you start out with on there?

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georgeky

04-29-2007 17:15:53

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Re: Fixing tobacco beds in Ky in reply to Glen in TX, 04-29-2007 16:52:03

It comes in a little more than 1000 foot rolls. That is enough to gas 10 100 foot beds.

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