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OT: Bottle calf question.

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Kelly C

04-24-2007 12:06:21




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Ok, I did get that blackie back to the sale barn this morning. Good riddence.

But that leaves me one calf short. Wife and I were talking and came to the conclusion that a bottle calf might be a workable option to replace the blackie.

I remember doing this when I was a kid, but I was just doing what I was told. Dont really remember any details as to what, why and when.

From what I gather so far. I should be able to pick up the supplies from the Fleet store.

I have heard I need to feed them twice a day for about a month.

Should I be looking for bottles or one of those buckets with the nipple on it?

What is the stuff you feed? Is that at Fleet also?

Any other info would be of help.

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JMS/MN

04-24-2007 20:34:54




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:06:21  
You should expect to feed milk replacer until they are about 6 weeks old, but you go by weight and their ability to eat dry feed, not necessarily age. Regarding milk replacer from the Fleet stores- you get what you pay for. Cheaper per pound, but you feed more pounds. Check with a commercial feed dealer and compare products. First day colostrum is most important- good chance that a 1-3 day old at the sales barn didn't get it. First 12-24 hours is vital, calf loses absorption ability very quickly.

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bgoathill

04-24-2007 17:50:31




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:06:21  
I have much better luck feeding calves with a bottle. I can't remember the exact terminology but calves are born with a small slit in their esophogus that lets the milk into one of the smaller stomachs. The bigger stomachs don't have the proper bugs in them until the calf gets a little older. That's one reason why calves get scours and don't get all the nutrition they should. The slit also grows shut as the calf gets older. That's why Mother Nature designed it so cow's and most other ruminent's young nurse like they do with outstreched necks. That doesn't happen when they are nose down in a bucket. People will say this is a bunch of BS, but I haven't had a sick calf since I switched back to bottles. But I also feed goat milk to get them started, then switch to milk replacer.

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Kent in NB

04-25-2007 05:29:44




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to bgoathill, 04-24-2007 17:50:31  
It's called the esophageal groove. It is triggered by the calf recognizing that it is time to eat, and is a conditioned reflex.



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Jim Johnson

04-24-2007 16:19:45




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:06:21  
We were at the sale buying cows one year and a neighbor lady was buying Holstein calves for $250.00 was selling our calves late that year, she had the steers there, about 500 pounds and they looked real good, brought .50 cents a pounds.

I never heard what your intentions were with the calves. Are you raising them to keep and breed or to butcher or just to sell?

Makes a lot of difference as to what you buy. I've always thought a good calf was always, always cheaper in the end no matter what you were doing with it. Remember a poor calf will eat just as much as a good calf and not gain near as well.

Jim

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Jim Johnson

04-24-2007 16:16:00




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:06:21  
We were at the sale buying cows one year and a neighbor lady was buying Holstein calves for $250.00 was selling our calves late that year, she had the steers there, about 500 pounds and they looked real good, brought .50 cents a pounds.

I never heard what your intentions were with the calves. Are you raising them to keep and breed or to butcher or just to sell?

Makes a lot of difference as to what you buy. I've always thought a good calf was always, always cheaper in the end no matter what you were doing with it.

Jim

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Jim Johnson

04-24-2007 16:23:31




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Jim Johnson, 04-24-2007 16:16:00  
Must be nervous.LOL



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RAW in IA

04-24-2007 14:51:20




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:06:21  
We never used a bottle at home. We trainedthem to drink right from the bucket from the first day. If they didn't get the idea right away, put your hand in the bottomof the bucket an dlet it suck on one finger for a few seconds. The will get the idea and don't need expensive nipples or bottles. You do have to hold on to the pail though, as they like to bunt at it.



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RJ

04-24-2007 14:07:46




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:06:21  
You can use a 2 quart bottle or a nipple bucket just which ever you like best, be sure to keep it clean. If there is a dairy supply store near you they should have a good milk replacer, should be around 22% protein or a feed store may have milk replacer. Should feed replacer at the rate of 2 quarts twice as day mixed as the directions say. Feed the replacer until your calf is eating a good 2 lbs of a starter feed a day. The starter should be around 22% also, and keep clean fresh water available at all times. Watch a the calf closly for scours, sulfer bolus`s work good for this. Good luck with your calf. Was in dairy business for 28 years and have raised 100`s but still don`t consider myself an expert.

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Clint Youse Mo

04-24-2007 12:55:32




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:06:21  
They all sound cheap nieghbor lost a calf the other day and went to the sale barn just so the cow would have something on her they brought 250-300 he said i like to fell over.

Clint



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steve from mo - dangit!

04-24-2007 12:13:15




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:06:21  
There's a really bad survival rate unless the calf got some colostrum up front. Watch for scours. On the practical side, you feed them milk replacer with the bucket that has a nipple on it.



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Kelly C

04-24-2007 12:31:45




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to steve from mo - dangit!, 04-24-2007 12:13:15  
I will look for one a little bigger than new borns. They had a couple that were real nice on Monday. They had about 10 total. 2 herford heffers about 100 pounds each. They went for about $120 a head.

3 or 4 Herford and one black bull calf. About the same size. They went for about $75 head.

Then the rest was Charleys. Pretty looking things but no one would bid on them. Guy next to me said they were just grass burners. feed them and feed them and they just dont gain pounds.
I think they got $35 a head on them.

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Eric SEI

04-24-2007 19:21:17




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:31:45  
Boy don't I wish I could find calves priced like that. We were paying $100 each for day old holstein bull calves back in 1980.

We didn't use bottles or special buckets for them. I'd just put my hand on the nose, 2 middle fingers in the mouth, and push the calves head into the bucket. He'd suck on my fingers and get his milk (replacer) and after a day or 2 would learn to drink on his own.



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Walt Davies

04-24-2007 13:53:31




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:31:45  
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THIS LITTLE GUY IS ABOUT 2 DAYS OLD.

At the auctions out here on the West Coast you can't give a white cow away. I raise Limousin (tame ones mostly) and I get about 10 cents a lb more for a black than a red one. Funny thing is they are from the same bull an look like twins except for the color.
Your best bet right now is Black Angus or a cross between Angus an Limousin (called Limoflex) Start with a good breed and good stock or you will be selling trash for nothing. My limousins are from the best Limo stock in the country I payed good money for them but I have very good herd stock now. Papered animals will cost you more but its worth it if you want to build a good herd stock for later use. If you just want to play around an don't care if you make anything then just buy what's cheap. I get $600 to $800 for wieners and that's selling then cheap to good friends. They should bring around $1200 to $1500 with papers but I don't have the means to take them to a good Limo sale. There are none in my area and with my bum ticker I can't take them to Washington to the big sale.
One thing my grandfather taught me was look at the animal it should square that is from down the legs to the ground and across the back to the rear. Look also for a barrel chest and a good full haunch. a short neck is also helpful. You want the animal to carry good weight when its about 6 to 8 months. Don't keep them for a yearly an then sell at the auction as you will not get any more for them. If you want to make better profit then grass feed with Alfalfa about 2 to 1 mix this will put on muscle not fat. I don't waste my money on those fancy feeds they just don't put on the weight for the cost. When I showed my animals at the state fair I got 1st and 2nd place so I know I'm doing something right. I also get top dollar at the sale barn and that's always nice. Walt

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dhermesc

04-24-2007 12:58:59




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:31:45  
That is CHEEEEE EEAAAAA AP, baby calves are bringing 2 - 3 times that around here.



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Tom in TN

04-24-2007 12:44:21




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 Re: OT: Bottle calf question. in reply to Kelly C, 04-24-2007 12:31:45  
Kelly,

Sounds like you're having some fun with your new venture.

Just a question - by Charleys are you referring to Charolais cattle? That breed is very popular around here. I'd take every $35.00 calf I could get my hands on no matter what breed.

Good luck.

Tom in TN



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