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ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED

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ironsales

04-09-2007 07:23:16




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The are not many people in our area that cut and bale hay, the ones that do are not taking on any more customers, so my step father and i have brainstormed, mainly just done so gear grinding and want to gt our own hay equipment, i found a Veermer 605b baler this weekend for 1500, it's a nice machine, been shedded, anyone ever run one of these, i need som help.




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Walt Davies

04-09-2007 12:21:14




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
Round bales are easier to bale but you also get less money per ton for them. also you need a real good large tractor to handle them. My friend keeps one tractor baling and one loading that takes up a lot of your free money.
With small square bales you sell them right from the field and let the buyers load them themselves. I have two balers an IH 46 and a New Holland Super Hayliner 78 both make nice bales the IH bales are just a little smaller Women like those and they have all the horses. Now where are you going to get all this hay from, I have several people with 5 to 10 acre plots that give me the hay for free just to get their fields cleaned once a year. You will need a good Mower conditioner and a good rake and tractors to run these. Also you need to remember that these things brake down often due to the hard work they do and this will eat up a lot of profit so be sure to get good equipment an don't loan it out. I spend half my time fixing broken parts on the equipment and the other half working on the knotters. in between these I get some hay baled. I'm trying to discourage you because its a great job but its not for the beginner who knows nothing I have a very good friend who helps me out and has taught me the business. Walt

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Case Lady

04-09-2007 11:44:55




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
I would stay away from Vermeer. New Holland makes a good net wrap baler - much faster to use versus the twine tie and John Deere makes a good baler. Have used both with much better results than the Vermeer. The NH will put together a bale in more less than perfect situations. However, if the tension springs on it get worn, the bale will be spongy in a short period of time. Which ever color you go with, be sure about your market - in our area, we can't give a round bale away, however, we can't bale enough small squares.

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Jonfarmer

04-09-2007 11:08:33




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
How much of a market is there for custom round baling?. That migt be an oppurtunity for you if thats what you think you really want to do. If you plan on becomming a custom operator, I'd strongly suggest you find some custmers and buy a brand new or much newer baler. In this area, people are only interested in custom balers that have the rotory knives in them, this is feature the cuts the hay into short pieces before putting it into the bale. A local fellow had a Claas with the roto cut and it had a wrapper right on the back of it, he spent most all summer baling for people, but I don't know as he was making much money at it by the time he took out all his expenses.

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kelly campbell

04-09-2007 10:27:06




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
You"d be better off looking for a I series baler, there much easier to start a bale with and will be able to do more. A B is really really old baler and kinda paticular as how there run, a I is a lot more forgiving...



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big jt

04-09-2007 08:51:28




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
I think the B had a belt on the bottom. REAL expennsive to replace and easy to mess up. The C's and later had rollers on the bottom and were more dependable.

I ran a C for college money and I consider them to make a better bale than the later open throat machines but the C is more difficult to run. One update to a B or C that will make a big difference is to put a bolt in the tensioner chains. Locate it so the tightner is loose when the chamber is empty.

In Alfalfa they will go like a (well I can't say that here). In grass and corn stalks things have to be right. Grass will wrap if too dry and cornstalks just won't feed.

Don't make your windrows to big either.

jt

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JMS/MN

04-09-2007 08:13:28




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
Vermeer makes good balers, but the B is a very old closed-throat machine- poor for starting the bale. Check with dealers- I think the E or at least the F series was the first open-throat baler they made. Don't let anyone sell you a round baler knotter repair kit either.



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Lincoln

04-09-2007 07:57:22




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
I've never run a 605B, but I have heard they can be very hard to start a bale unless the conditions are perfect. Something about them having a closed feeding system. The price is on the high side, they usually bring $500 or less at farm sales in my area.



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wayne2

04-09-2007 07:46:12




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
Price seems a little high-you have the right approach-ASK questions. Don't buy it cause it has neeked ladies on the mud flaps!!!!!



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wayne2

04-09-2007 07:32:46




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:23:16  
Do not bail till outside wind rows grass will snap when bent or it's to wet-maybe half a day out side alwys thicker more moist(spontanous combustion)sure you can get parts ,up to you to learn machines particular noises(good-bad)Learn how to fix your own knotters!!!!!$$$$$ Wayne



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ironsales

04-09-2007 07:36:54




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to wayne2, 04-09-2007 07:32:46  
What?



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wayne2

04-09-2007 07:38:18




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to ironsales, 04-09-2007 07:36:54  
What-what?



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tom43

04-09-2007 10:53:05




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 Re: ANYONE WITH HAY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR HELP IS NEEDED in reply to wayne2, 04-09-2007 07:38:18  
If you don't believe in purgatory and buy that old Vermeer you soon will. I wouldn't take it if they gave me the $1500.



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