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55 50

04-06-2007 10:25:16




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As a retired electronics engineer, (worked in the radio area - RF -) I"m curious about what you current modern farmers do when you have electronics problems with your new tractors. Do you (1) have the expertise and information to do the repairing yourself, (2) have your dealer service department do it, (3) use a third party specialist, (4) Or ?




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IH2444

04-06-2007 17:41:17




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 Re: New tractor electronics in reply to 55 50, 04-06-2007 10:25:16  
Where do you think these computer controlled tractors will be in 50 yrs ? Being restored or in the junk pile ?
Once the computer is not available....



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dhermesc

04-06-2007 11:35:48




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 Re: New tractor electronics in reply to 55 50, 04-06-2007 10:25:16  
Don't have much trouble with our tractors. The latest skidsteers we bought (Case 420s) have left us with option #4, trade 'em in on something else.


No one knows how to keep them running - including the dealer. All three have been on the job less then a year and all three have been nothing but problems since the first day - literally.



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Eric in IL

04-06-2007 12:00:55




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 Re: New tractor electronics in reply to dhermesc, 04-06-2007 11:35:48  
I too am finding that the dealers are not capable of fixing problems. I believe in a few years the "farmer" will be able to add "electronics troubleshooter" to their already long list of skills.



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no deeres here

04-06-2007 11:06:37




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 Re: New tractor electronics in reply to 55 50, 04-06-2007 10:25:16  
We're pretty much at the mercy of the dealers. Tractors with computers that need diagnosis need the software available only from the company. If the computer need to be replaced the new computers are shipped unprogrammed and need the dealer's lap top for programming.



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55 50

04-06-2007 13:08:40




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 Re: New tractor electronics in reply to no deeres here, 04-06-2007 11:06:37  
In looking at your responses so far, some other thoughts occurred to me. Do any of you think that in the future, if there is a problem, you can contact the manufacturer directly via satellite and they can repair software glitches (these DO occur even though software engineers don"t like to think that) that way and bill for their services all electronically? I suspect the technology already exists to do this since they use the satellites for guidance, yields, seed, fertilizer, chemicals rates, etc. Since, as you say, there are dealers that have problems here, it may eventually force the manufacturers to (perish the thought) bypass the dealers.

Also would there be any sense to a group of electronic and software engineers to set up a company to do strictly this type of application and service work by entering into agreements with the tractor mnaufacturers for access to and control of proprietary information?

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Jon Hagen

04-06-2007 13:50:04




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 Re: New tractor electronics in reply to 55 50, 04-06-2007 13:08:40  
Yes, I think their is a need for a "computer geeks for tractors" type company that would do electronics repairs on farm.
Can/should computer problems be fixed by satellite ? Sounds like outfits like GM's Onstar can do some of that now.

In a small way I deal with farm equipment companys directly to fix computer problems now, Several times I have updated the software in my Trimble GPS lightbar units by connecting the unit to my PC and downloaded new software from the company site. Same deal with a new grain moisture tester that did not have the right software to test the crops grown in my area. I was able to connect the unit to my PC and download my choice of crops in a few minutes. Before online downloads were avalible, the unit would have had to be "shipped in" for repairs or software with a weeks or months long turn around.

One thing that bothers me is some of the new tractors have totally unnecessary electronics that add nothing but cost and service problems. An example is the 55 or newer series Deere tractors have a $400 PC board that controls the cab mounted work lights and fails quite often. Now a work light needs only a fuse/breaker, mechanical switch and wire between the power supply and the work light, anything more is just complicated and expensive duff.
The electronic engine controls serve a real need that a mechanical system just cannot do, but in most other cases it is just cheaper to build or an engineers ego trip. You talk to a dealer mechanic, and they say that so much of the tractor and especially combine repairs are on overly complicated electronics. Rant over :-)

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TomR Ont

04-06-2007 12:29:14




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 Re: New tractor electronics in reply to no deeres here, 04-06-2007 11:06:37  
no deeres here...
"We're pretty much at the mercy of the dealers"

Like Car Dealers,
. NO MERCY.



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