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Bguy

04-04-2007 12:36:23




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I was moving my trailer around the driveway the other day and the brake cable got on the ground and the adapter that converts it from the small round 6 pin to the large round 7 pin plug got pulled off and damaged. I got a new adapter at the parts house but now the brakes are locked solid whenever I hook it up to the truck. The lights work fine. I took the plug apart to check the connections and everything looks fine, it didn"t pull anything loose inside. Anybody have any idea what the problem may be? They always worked great before.

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JTinNJ

04-05-2007 09:10:27




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 Re: Trailer Brake Problem in reply to Bguy, 04-04-2007 12:36:23  
No such luck with instructions. They have it all figured out. You buy the wrong part. It is a non returnable electrical part.Now you need to buy another part.And so it gose.



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Bguy

04-05-2007 08:53:09




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 Re: Trailer Brake Problem -SOLVED in reply to Bguy, 04-04-2007 12:36:23  
You guys were right!! I swapped the two wires that were not fixed (black and blue) and everything was as it should be. Seems like the adapter maker would mention this potential problem in the instructions. Thanks for your help.



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MF Poor

04-05-2007 03:01:45




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 Re: Trailer Brake Problem in reply to Bguy, 04-04-2007 12:36:23  
There's SIX commonly used "standardized" wiring schematics for trailers. (4-pin flat, 5-pin flat, 5-pin round, 6-pin round, 7-pin round, and 7-pin RV)

Somewhere along the line, the RV scheme moved from RV's to horse trailers, to general use. RV plugs used a flat prong on the male end plugs in the beginning. The ability to use one common plug evolved into both 7-pin wiring details using the 7-pin plug with ROUND prongs. The two schemes used some common connections, but the brake wire (and one other that escapes me at this moment) swap.

Enter Capitalist American Business. Several of the manufacturers of trailer accessories started making "converters" or adapter plugs to make the inter-action between differet wiring schematics work without a problem.

The automotive industry has picked their choices. 7-pin and 4-pin flat plugs, both wired to CORRECT specs for their type. Lots of adapters on the market now that swap from 7-pin to 7-pin RV. There are also 7-pin to 6-pin, 7-pin RV to 6-pin, ect.... It's easy to grab one off the shelf and not realize the difference.

If you have any one of the 6 types and the truck, trailer, or adapter was another type, you wouldn't have been any better off. At least this way, the plug fits, just have to swap a couple wires.

If you still have the package that the adapter came in, there may well be directions to swap 2 wires internally. They may be provided with ring connectors and screws where the other wires are hard wired. That is to accomodate the swap from 7-pin to 7-pin RV.

And then there's "random" wiring. Nothing mandates anyone to wire by schematics anyway. Commonly, people will use the center pin of a 7-pin connector for brakes, a ground connection, back up lights, or what-ever they want. It's SUPPOSED to be a constant hot 12v. (To charge break-away battery/power interior lighting/ect) There's always that chance someone wired things "different" from day one.

First place I'd go is checking to see if wire pair needs to be swapped.

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John cub owner

04-04-2007 19:55:12




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 Re: Trailer Brake Problem in reply to Bguy, 04-04-2007 12:36:23  
There are 2 different 7 to 6 pin adapters. One has the brake controller connected to the center pin, the other has the aux. lead connected to the center pin. Presumably you have the wrong adapter.



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Kevin Black

04-04-2007 12:51:52




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 Re: Trailer Brake Problem in reply to Bguy, 04-04-2007 12:36:23  
The large adaptor should have a screw holding it together. Take the screw out and the adaptor will spearate (almost in half) and you will see two wires inside. Switch the two wires (connection point) and everything should work properly. What it is is the trailer connection (inside the connector) is hooked to a hot post. If you have any questions just shoot me an email.



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souNdguy

04-04-2007 12:49:44




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 Re: Trailer Brake Problem in reply to Bguy, 04-04-2007 12:36:23  
COMMON problem.. it stems from the fact that there are (2) 7 pin plug standards ( why call it a standard if it ain't???)

Anyway.. if you have a hOppy type adapter plug to take yer traier 6 pin to a 7 pin for the truck ( tsc / walmart / autozone ).. you pull a couple screws out of the adapter and a rubber ring off of it and pop one side of the cover off. The you look at the connections inside it. All wires are permanently mounted pin to pin EXCEPT 2 wires... REVERSE them. then button it back up.

My yukon was like this.. it bumfuzzled me. Whenever i plugged the connector in.. my controller said ERR and the brakes were locked.. because constant battery power was being applied to them.

post back what you find..

Soundguy

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Bguy

04-04-2007 14:14:16




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 Re: Trailer Brake Problem in reply to souNdguy, 04-04-2007 12:49:44  
Thanks Guys! I'll take a look at that when I get home this evening and report back tomorrow with the results.



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Richard Lisowski

04-04-2007 12:43:02




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 Re: Trailer Brake Problem in reply to Bguy, 04-04-2007 12:36:23  
BGuy, I had same problem. You may have the wrong adapter plug. Good luck.



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