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Hydraulics for Backhoe

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Tweeter

04-03-2007 18:15:36




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I have a Ford 345C tractor/loader and bought a Bradco 11HD backhoe for it. I need to route hydraulics to the backhoe. Bradco doesnt make a PTO pump kit for the backhoe, or so Im told.

Here is my situation. My tractor hydraulic pump is pumping 26 GPM to the loader valve open center without power beyond. The backhoe valves require 9 to 14 GPM to operate.

The original plan was to run the loader and backhoe valves in series loader first backhoe second. I think this will reduce the whole system to a 14 GPM flow losing 12 GPM.

The next option was to add a divider valve after the loader valve in the series and divide the proper amount to the backhoe and any excess will run to the reservoir hopefully then running a 20 something GPM system still. I talked with someone at Surplus Center (this is the part that I do not understand) and they told me that I could not do that because the backhoe valve will be adding a pressure to the outlet side of the loader valve that was never there before and COULD crack the loader valve or the loader cylinders MIGHT move without me moving the lever.

Is this true? I would really like to run the system without a selector valve that I have to throw everytime I want to switch between the two.

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Joe(TX)

04-04-2007 05:42:15




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to Tweeter, 04-03-2007 18:15:36  
For running the valves in series, one has to have power beyond. The flow will be the same through both valves.
I am with you on what Surplus Center said. It does not make sense. You would still need a valve with power beyond on the loader to add the flow divider after the loader valve. A flow control valve with an excess flow port would do the same thing as the divider in this application.
Did you check out the pto pumps at Surplus Center?

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Tweeter

04-04-2007 14:26:23




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to Joe(TX), 04-04-2007 05:42:15  
I have looked into the PTO pumps but dont really want to built a custom reservoir to fit.

My loader valve does not have power beyond capability at all.



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gene bender

04-04-2007 04:01:38




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to Tweeter, 04-03-2007 18:15:36  
How are you going to use the back hoe and loader at the same time since you can only use one at a time your pump has plenty of capicity



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Tweeter

04-04-2007 04:09:31




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to gene bender, 04-04-2007 04:01:38  
I dont plan on using both the loader and backhoe at the same exact time. I just dont want the step of throwing the selector valve.



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Roy Suomi

04-03-2007 20:42:53




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to Tweeter, 04-03-2007 18:15:36  
Go to FNH and get a power beyond fitting for the loader control valve..Then hose to your B.H. control valve from the power beyond fitting and return oil to where the loader valve returns oil..



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Tweeter

04-04-2007 04:07:56




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to Roy Suomi, 04-03-2007 20:42:53  
My loader valve does not have port for the Power Beyond plug. That is why I am in this mess.



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geok

04-03-2007 18:44:00




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to Tweeter, 04-03-2007 18:15:36  
I have tapped into the return side of dozens+ loader valves to operate differnt equipment including backhoes. Most valves are set up for power beyond and pressure builds up without damaging loader valves. One thing you do need to be sure of, is that the backhoe has its own relief bypass set up. The GPM rating is usually at 2000 rpm engine speed. So by not running engine wide open you won't be putting out the 26 gpm on the backhoe.

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Tweeter

04-03-2007 19:15:42




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to geok, 04-03-2007 18:44:00  
Have you ever had the loader cylinders work without you activating them with the levers?



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geok

04-05-2007 16:00:40




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to Tweeter, 04-03-2007 19:15:42  
No



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Tweeter

04-03-2007 19:06:41




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to geok, 04-03-2007 18:44:00  
Would the backhoe relief valve be found near the other valves?



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geok

04-05-2007 16:12:01




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 Re: Hydraulics for Backhoe in reply to Tweeter, 04-03-2007 19:06:41  
Yes, if it is equiped, it will be located at the (in) port of the assembly. There is usually an adjusting screw at this location. If you plan to mount this hoe on the 3 point, beware of using quick disconnects on the hyd. hoses. If one of these accidently came diconnected while engine was running it would cause your pump to lock up or break.



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