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ChrisLSD

04-01-2007 19:38:14




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A friend (really it isn't me) was too close to a short and broke the exhaust pipe off at the base where it goes into the exhaust manifold - gas Minneapolis Moline 670 from mid '70s - what are the cures - he has taken to a nearby guy that heated it all up and tried to weld it but it cracked up and came apart on cooling....

we had an old oliver 88 on a cron picker that had that same ailment when we bought it but it was welded and was OK

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Oldmax

04-02-2007 04:43:07




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to ChrisLSD, 04-01-2007 19:38:14  
Some of the newer Ni-Rod's do a real good job but are very expensive . If I can weld with it is it good last summer I repaird a park bench Cast Iron Did a very good job I few years ago welded up crack in 250 engine block . Just go to welder supply and ask for Ni-Rod . Try pre-heating befor welding .



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george md

04-01-2007 22:52:56




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to ChrisLSD, 04-01-2007 19:38:14  
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Chris, From the description it sounds like cast iron ,and if you want success welding cast you will use o/a and cast iron rod ( cast iron in stick form ).Cast is very repairable with this method. Below is a link to some cast iron repair and
some other things, take the tour there are about 250 pictures of assorted types of repair.

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assembled box , back side

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steve n carol

04-02-2007 07:50:49




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to george md, 04-01-2007 22:52:56  
Some amaizing (to me) work. George, is this your work / machine shop?....sl



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steve n carol

04-02-2007 07:52:51




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to steve n carol, 04-02-2007 07:50:49  
Geprge, I forgot to ask, on some of the cast manifold's, it looked like 'patches' had been fabricated. Were? can? these 'patches be made with steel, other than cast?...sl



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george md

04-02-2007 09:47:51




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to steve n carol, 04-02-2007 07:52:51  
Steve,

I make the pieces that I use for repair out of cast iron , if you use steel you will have the same problem that you have with nickel rod . The rate of expansion of most anything but cast is so much greater than cast that most times the job will crack before it is cool. On cast iron , use o/a torch ,cast iron rod with proper flux, and much preheat . It's best to build an oven ( stack fire brick around to form an oven ) leaving ports thru which you can apply heat with large propane torch as in weed burner .Heat to red glow then weld and you may have to reheat many times as you weld to keep the temp near 1200 deg F , do a post heat of near 1500 and hold for 15 minutes then close up the ports in the oven cover with more brick and finally cover the brick with asbestos blanket. Do it late at nite , go home when done , uncover it in the morning as it should be cool by then.

And yes those are jobs in my shop , I do quite a lot of cast repair , much of which is rusted out or burned out manifolds. Broken ones are much easier to fix.

george

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Walt Davies

04-01-2007 21:13:50




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to ChrisLSD, 04-01-2007 19:38:14  
I have had good luck with silver solder its about the strongest thing that you can get in the brazing world. Just cost a lot more.
Walt



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135 Fan

04-01-2007 20:19:29




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to ChrisLSD, 04-01-2007 19:38:14  
It has to be preheated first of all. Brazing would probably be a good option but needs to be done by someone with experience. Specialty arc welding electrodes could be used. A good welding supply or specialty rod company like Eutectic could help. After it is repaired it will be very hot and needs to cool as slowly as possible. You could wrap it up in a fire proof blanket or bury it in dry sand. If it's small enough you could put it in a preheated oven right after welding and gradually lower the temperature. If you have a wife she might not approve of this method. Dave

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dan hill

04-02-2007 04:00:04




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to 135 Fan, 04-01-2007 20:19:29  
A gas barbeque grill can be used for pre heat and slow cool down.Avoids trouble in the kitchen also.



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Don L C

04-01-2007 19:51:32




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to ChrisLSD, 04-01-2007 19:38:14  
Try gas welder and brass rod.....



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ChrisLSD

04-01-2007 19:39:05




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 Re: exhaust pipe welding in reply to ChrisLSD, 04-01-2007 19:38:14  
a short tree tha is



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