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Hydraulic Woes

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Allan In NE

03-07-2007 02:40:54




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Boy, I'll tell ya.

If there is a "wacko" problem lurking about, it is going to happen to me. Every darned time.

Fought this goofy thing 'til I was 'bout at the end of my rope. Checked and re-checked, routed and re-routed. Changed ends and couplers until the dogs started howling, oil strung all over everything including me and I still couldn't make 'er work.

Finally went back to the electrical end of things and started testing.

Turns out that the micro switch that runs that splitter was southbound. Darned thing worked fine until I mounted it to the stick, but I guess the torsion and/or stress on the little switch when cinched down made it loose contact on the one side.

Anyhoo, my friend George has a new one on the way and then maybe we can get back to cow duty. :>(

Allan

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Glen in TX

03-07-2007 10:13:01




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 02:40:54  
Hope it's only the switch and not solenoids and that solves it. I've bought a couple of those splitters at auction and none of them ever came with a switch setup. I asked the local dealer and they told me the original switches were junk to just use a HD toggle switch so that's I been doing and works fine :) You might swing by a HD truck place and ask to browse thru their Cole Hersee catalog if you have a particular switch in mind and find something too. They have a online catalog but it can hard to find things in it for me.

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Tom R Ne

03-07-2007 03:39:15




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 02:40:54  
Allen:
On my Bobcat I used a small toggle switch that was small enough to fit inside of the stick (I think it was rated at 3 amps) and it would only last a short time until I installed back diodes across the solenoids on the selector valve.

On the tractor with a bigger switch (switch contacts opening wider, and higher current rating?) it was ok but on that smaller switch I had to have the diodes or after a few operations the thing acted like you are describing, and when I tore it apart the contacts were arced.

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Allan In NE

03-07-2007 03:47:47




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Tom R Ne, 03-07-2007 03:39:15  
Yeah, I hear ya,

But these solenoids only pull .4amp, wiring is only something like 22ga. and the switch is what the company recommends.

However, if I have further troubles, I'm just gonna rig up a positive mechanical toggle switch. Just something I can flick one way or the other with my finger on that stick.

Allan



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Tom R Ne

03-07-2007 03:59:40




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 03:47:47  
I hear ya on the amp draw but when the switch contacts open an the magnetic field in the solenoid collapses it can provide a back emf that can be hundreds of volts an provide an very large Arc current for a few milla seconds. That is the reason they install a snubber diode across the clutch on your AC.

I know the switch in my Bobcat won't last for 2 dozen operations without the diodes but with the diodes added it has been on the same switch for 4 or 5 years, just my experience. :)

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Allan In NE

03-07-2007 04:04:07




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Tom R Ne, 03-07-2007 03:59:40  
Where did you get your diodes? Radio Shack or the like? Sure sounds like a cure.

You'd think that the manufacture of the switch would have taken that into account and incorporated the diodes into the factory switch?

Allan



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Tom R Ne

03-07-2007 04:17:21




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 04:04:07  
Allen:

I think I used 1N5404 diodes, anything with a rating around 400 Volts PIV and 3 Amps should work.

Radio Shack diodes would be fine or a couple of diodes from AC clutches if you already have them around would work.

Yah- you would think the manufacture would cover all bases, since mine was home brewed I just overlooked it that first time, but as soon as I tore the switch apart and seen the evidence of Arcing it dawned on me that I had screwed up.

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mike a. tenn.

03-07-2007 02:48:44




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 02:40:54  
hey allan....when you gonna quit playing with that new toy of yours and get back to work???!!!

(grin)-mike



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Allan In NE

03-07-2007 03:01:11




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-07-2007 02:48:44  
Hmmmm,

Really don't think we can use the term "new" here. This goofy thing is just like everything else I own. Really, really old and right on the edge of being all completely used up. :>(

All I wanna do is feed the calves without ending up being on the end of a pitchfork. Had to use the little H to feed with yesterday. That little jasper still can get 'er done in a pinch. :>)

Allan

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IaGary

03-07-2007 03:12:21




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 03:01:11  
Morning Allan

Thats why a guy can never have to many tractors.

Gots to have a backup.Somtimes a job has to get done and you can't wait for a repair part.

Thats what I tell my wife you know.(:~})

Gary



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Allan In NE

03-07-2007 03:23:34




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to IaGary, 03-07-2007 03:12:21  
I'm a little bummed out over the F-10 on the Hydro tho.

That's my favorite loader; just cost too darned much to fix, so guess I'll take 'er off and park it in the weeds. :>(

Allan



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Steven@AZ

03-07-2007 05:49:28




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 03:23:34  
What's wrong with the F10? Those loaders can be bought in ND for around $50 to $200 in usable condition at auction sales...

If you need a specific part that's not too big and heavy I have one available for parts and will be in ND in a week and a half...



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Allan In NE

03-07-2007 08:11:19




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Steven@AZ, 03-07-2007 05:49:28  
I know; bought this old gal fer a $100.

Needs the three new-style, cast-steel grapple teeth. The yellow ones. Priced those new lately? It'll rock your world. :>)

Allan



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Steven@AZ

03-07-2007 10:43:36




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 08:11:19  
Grapple teeth, eh? Are yours bent or broken? Well, probably broken since you say they are cast...

We have had luck taking our broken teeth to a good welding shop. Bent teeth never seem to keep from bending again.

I see a couple different solutions... Buy another loader with a decent grapple, or retrofit/build a grapple for what you have. Of course it's nearly impossible to match the strength of the factory grapple in the shop, but making another one with parts available fit your loader.

I'm just rambling on, so I'll go now...

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mike a. tenn.

03-07-2007 03:27:29




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 03:23:34  
maybe you can part it out, sell the parts, scrap the rest, then buy another one. scrap is way up right now.

i hear they got some other stuff to laod tires with besides salt so it ain't so caustic on yer rims. couldn't tell ya what it is tho.

-mike



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mike a. tenn.

03-07-2007 03:12:16




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to Allan In NE, 03-07-2007 03:01:11  
ya...both my little tractors are about as old as i am....and work about as well. guess i can understand that tho bein' the same age and just about as wore out. i set up the coffee maker this mornin', came in here to check my mail and the forums, went back about 15 mins' later figgerin' to have a nice hot cuppa mud and found out i'd forgot to turn the switch on. so i guess if the old fergie don't wanna start this morning right away, i can't complain much. i'm still sittin' here with only one eye open.

hope you get that thing workin'. looks to me like a pretty nice set up. you ain't put her on her nose yet liftin' bales have ya?

-mike

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Allan In NE

03-07-2007 03:20:24




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 Re: Hydraulic Woes in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-07-2007 03:12:16  
Not yet.

I really ought to get the tire boys out here and fill those back tires with some salt before I take it to the country, 'cause it's a heck of a long ways out there and they charge by the mile. :>(

'Sposed to be close to 70 here today and no wind. Maybe I can get that darned 966 out of my hair too. If it keeps this up, we'll be in the field in a week. :>)

Allan



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