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Allan will that loader pickup a bale.

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IaGary

03-05-2007 16:33:43




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Wondering if you grabbed a bale with that loader yet?

And what you thought? (:~})




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billyar

03-06-2007 03:40:24




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to IaGary, 03-05-2007 16:33:43  
Allan on the multipler we had one set would work without any voltage and we made both sol hot to work the other set.



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Allan In NE

03-06-2007 04:54:15




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to billyar, 03-06-2007 03:40:24  
IAGary got me straightened out.

I've got to screw some different couplers on the one bank. They aren't passing any oil.

Allan



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NEIA Dan

03-05-2007 18:13:48




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to IaGary, 03-05-2007 16:33:43  
In looking at your electric valve multiplier are you wired to energize the other valve when not using the button you have installed. As far as the pairing of differnt styles of pioneer fittings I have very seldom had a problem. Have you tried switching the hoses to see if the fittings work on the otherside of the valve.

On your wiring you need to have only one wire hot for each function. If you have to hot both functions will operate simultaneously.

Anothe thing to check is that your cylinder linkage on the tilt is free and not going over center. Don't laugh I had a similar situation on my 1066 and after changing all the fittings found that the bale spear needed stopps welded so that the cylinders couldn't retract so far that they sat on top dead center

good luck

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Allan In NE

03-05-2007 18:23:51




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to NEIA Dan, 03-05-2007 18:13:48  
The switch is an "either/or". It is hot on one solenoid when the button is not pushed, hot on the other one when it is.

It has something to do with these quick couplers. I went out there just now and tried to reverse the things. My original tilt fittings won't even go in the other side so something is haywire.

So, I'm gonna replace that one whole bank with "matched pairs".

Just don't think it is in the controller. I can hear both solenoids snap; if I unhook the juice from one, I can hear just the other one work and visa/versa. Think the valve is okay.

Loader is okay 'cause I can hook any circuit straight to the tractor and it will work as it should.

I'm just convinced it is in that batch of "mix and match" fittings that I bought. :>(

Allan

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David A. Hodson

03-05-2007 17:31:05




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to IaGary, 03-05-2007 16:33:43  
Allan, they always told me you can"t mix the pioneer tips you have to use the balls with balls and the tipped with tipped but who knows. David



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Allan In NE

03-05-2007 17:35:58




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to David A. Hodson, 03-05-2007 17:31:05  
Thanks Dave,

I'll swap 'em out and see what happens.

Here I am foolin' around with this silly loader in 60 degree weather. Should be working on that 966 cab! :>)

Thanks Bud,

Allan



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KEH

03-05-2007 18:24:25




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to Allan In NE, 03-05-2007 17:35:58  

Allan,

I've mixed them with no problems other than stiff coupling sometimes. Let us know what happens when you change them out. If I understand it you have an electric diverter valve. Have you checked it to see if it is working ok?
Saw a problem one time where the male tip was not long enough due to being dragged on pavement. TEMPORARY solution was to weld a small deposit on the ball, cleaning it afterward, of course. Point is, check condition of male tip, but you probably have already done that.

KEH

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Allan In NE

03-05-2007 17:04:12




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to IaGary, 03-05-2007 16:33:43  
We gots problems. :>(

Can you not inter-marry pioneer couplings? What I mean is, can't you use the male with the ball against a female that normally uses the "tip" kind?

I'm dead on one side and have about narrowed it down to the tips that the previous owner had on one circuit that I just left on and plugged into these new fittings.

Both solenoids "snap" like they should, the grapple works fine when I push the little button, but when I release the button, the solenoids reverse and I can hear the tractor's hydraulics dead-head instead of working the tilt. All the hydraulics on the loader work okay, 'cause I've tested 'em and all is well.

Help!!!

Allan

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Don-Wi

03-06-2007 00:49:37




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to Allan In NE, 03-05-2007 17:04:12  
Most times they should work just fine switching them around, but once in a while you find one that just doesn't wanna cooperate with ya. Looks like ya found one. We had another on our Fox 3000, the original owner had all pointy tips on there and one just didn't wanna work. Switched it out with a ball tip and it works just fine. I think I used that tip on something else and it works just fine.....

Donovan from Wisconsin

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jhill52

03-05-2007 20:04:40




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to Allan In NE, 03-05-2007 17:04:12  
I ran into that problem with my 870 Case when I first got it. The two different types of ends would not work together



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Matt in TN

03-05-2007 16:37:50




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to IaGary, 03-05-2007 16:33:43  
He's gonna need a telescope to see the bale! : )



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Allan In NE

03-05-2007 17:30:28




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to Matt in TN, 03-05-2007 16:37:50  
Yeah,

That bucket is a bit of overkill. Think I'm gonna get that thing off of there.

Also, previous owner has restrictors in the lift circuit to slow down the action. Don't like that much either, so they're comin' off too. :>)

Allan

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Steven@AZ

03-05-2007 18:01:40




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to Allan In NE, 03-05-2007 17:30:28  
Restrictors on a loader? Wow, I can't get our loaders to move fast enough - of course I'm a young whipper-snapper that likes to move fast yet...

Looks good, I've had problems mixing ball pioneer with the pointy tip type as well. Sometimes it works, sometimes it won't.



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Allan In NE

03-05-2007 18:06:23




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to Steven@AZ, 03-05-2007 18:01:40  
Yeah,

I like 'em quick too. These restrictors are the same type as I use on my spinner plow to slow the roll.

Not on a loader tho, I want 'er to move! :>)

Allan



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Ken Macfarlane

03-06-2007 05:08:44




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 Re: Allan will that loader pickup a bale. in reply to Allan In NE, 03-05-2007 18:06:23  
A lot of guys will slap a restrictor on the grapple so it doesn't slam open or shut when you're at high rpm.



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