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Deleting stuff and computer memory

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MMB

02-25-2007 06:10:59




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Question here about computers. When a person either makes a file (say something on MS word) or receives a message on email, etc., once that is in your computer and you delete it, does it stay inside there somewhere and take up memory even though you have deleted it or sent it to the recylcle bin and delete it from there? Or does it truly go away into the stratosphere? Thinking about all of these tons of junk mail I get and delete, do they just go somewhere else and plug up my computer's memory? And if so, one of these days I'd exoect the whole thing to be full and then what?

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Howard H.

02-25-2007 07:36:06




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 Re: Deleting stuff and computer memory in reply to MMB, 02-25-2007 06:10:59  

Tom and Bob's answers are correct for what you asked.

BUT, your PC's performance really isn't affected directly by how full the hard drive is. That is a common misconception.

How efficiently you work in an office is much more dependent on how organized and/or cluttered your desk is - not how full your filing cabinet next to the desk is.

That's sort of like how a computer operates - your PC is VASTLY more affected by the startup list of programs that begin when your PC boots. And a couple of malware processes or an antivirus program gone bad (or sabotaged by some malware) can kill the performance on an otherwise nice PC.

Quickbooks, Adobe Acrobat, Realplayer, MusicMatch, all antivirus programs, most HP printer and Lexmark printer software, and a million others all have background processes that try to "check in with the mother ship (those company's websites)" periodically. These examples can slow a machine down much more than whether you have a couple hundred or couple thousand deleted messages still sitting in the deleted items mailbox.

And the newest $3000 PC can be almost immediately killed if the kids wind up getting some full-out malware like doriot or Zango or WildTangent or any of a million others.

If the performance is really not what it used to be, removing or turning off some of the problem programs can often help. Sometimes even if you turn them off it won't - and in that case, it is usually easiest to just reinstall Windows.


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TomH in PA

02-25-2007 06:52:29




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 Re: Deleting stuff and computer memory in reply to MMB, 02-25-2007 06:10:59  
As always, the answer is "it depends".

Most files don't take up space after you delete them and empty the Recycle bin. You can also get space back by running Disk Cleanup and Defragement (from Programs->Accessories->System Tools). Browsers keep a lot of old files so you don't need to download them again.

One exception is email. After you delete it, you also need to delete it from the "Deleted" folder (sort of like emptying the Recycled bin). But even then the space isn't recovered, your mail reader will hold onto the space and reuse it the next time you delete something. So it does help to empty the Delete folder frequently (and "Compact" the folders if your reader has that feature, Outlook does).

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Bob

02-25-2007 06:15:23




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 Re: Deleting stuff and computer memory in reply to MMB, 02-25-2007 06:10:59  
Basically, when you delete something, only it's "address" is deleted from the harddrive's directory, and the deleted item itself stays on the harddrive until the drive controller needs the space, and overwrites it.



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2t2@ia

02-25-2007 10:38:23




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 Re: Deleting stuff and computer memory in reply to Bob, 02-25-2007 06:15:23  
Correct. Because of this, one does not want to sell or give away a computer or hard drive without completely removing these files. There are programs for this.



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Dig It

02-25-2007 10:49:05




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 Re: Deleting stuff and computer memory in reply to 2t2@ia, 02-25-2007 10:38:23  
"Correct. Because of this, one does not want to sell or give away a computer or hard drive without completely removing these files. There are programs for this"

The "program" I use for this is called a ten pound sledgehammer. Works very good. :>0



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