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NCWayne

02-22-2007 17:43:53




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Hey guys, I had an experience this morning and wanted to take a minute to write and remind everyone of the dangers of overhead high voltage lines.... I got in a customers machine this morning to move it in order to work on it. The machine is a 320B CAT excavator with a 24" tall rock drill boom in place of the bucket. I'm always really careful when moving these things simply because of the length of the boom. In this case they had parked it, I measured after the fact, about 8 feet from a set of overhead power lines. Too close to begin with I know but that's another story. Long story short there were actually two sets of lines, and when I pulled up I noticed them but against a background of blue sky and tree limbs I didn't realize there were two sets. Before getting into the cab I looked and saw the lines in the field about 20 feet away and thought i had plenty of clearance to do whatever I needed to do. What I failed to do was to look straight up over my head and see the second set. So, when I started to move the machine I thought there was plenty of clearance, til I heard the pop and saw sparks. Fortunately I was turning with the tracks so I didn't hit them hard and being an excavator I was able to get away from them rather quickly using the swing. I got really lucky in that the lines I crossed were at the dead end of a 7000V line and according to the lineman only pushing about 3 amps that far out. BUT, the set further in the field was running at 44,000 volts and ALOT more amps. The machine kissed the lines when I turned the boom into them and fortunately tied the hot leg and neutral together so the machine could have, but didn',t become a path to the actual ground. Instead the current simply ran through the boom from one wire to the other. If it had gone all the way through the machine it could have been alot worse for the machine as wel as me. As it turned out no damage to me or the machine, and nothing wrong with the wires that two splices crimped over the burn marks couldn't fix. The main thing is there were at least a dozen people without power for nearly an hour and we'll get a bill for the repair. Moral of the story...Don't forget to look up and always, always be extreemly careful around overhead high voltage lines. I got lucky and lived, many people don't.....

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buickanddeere

02-24-2007 07:08:44




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 General good advice Re: Dangers of high voltage l in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
Something which you all are saying in a round about way is. " Pay attention to what you are doing rather than just getting the job done". Taking 2 minutes to walk around a job and doing some "what if" thinking has saved millions of dollars and countless lives. If somebody isn't bleeding to death, the job/situation isn't worth hurrying over.



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supergrumpy

02-23-2007 09:25:16




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
worked for Pac Bell long time ago, one of the trucks raised the boom into high voltage line, voltage went thru the rubber tires and melted them, foreman claimed the steel wires inside the tires carried the voltage thru the rubber to ground

alongside San Mateo Bridge, they used helicopters to spray down the dust that settled on the high lines, saw a company movie of helicopter carrying a lineman up to work on those live wires

copter extended a pole and drew an arc to bring copter to line voltage, one impressive arc, then worker was lowered to stand on the energized line itself, guy said he could feel the voltage sensation but no ill effects, they had to stay away from the towers while doing this, think voltage was over 600k

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John S-B

02-23-2007 05:47:05




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
Nice post Wayne. I'd like to add that you should be careful of downed wires also. Almost got to see a lady get fried by a downed primary line. Coming back to the station from a fire run, we came across a downed primary line that was on the ground and arcing. We had been getting a lot of rain lately and a storm was going through at the time so the rain was coming down heavily. The line was touching the ground by the pole next to the street, and there was a car about six feet from the line. All of a sudden a lady rushes out from the house in front of the car and start running for the car obviouly trying to save the car. Our mouths just dropped but the driver hit the air horn and stopped her in her tracks about 25 feet from the line. She would have come within 10 feet of the line and there was standing water in the grass. She definantely would have been zapped if she had kept going. So don't forget about the stuff on the ground too.

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Billy NY

02-22-2007 21:23:28




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
Boy that was a close one, it goes to show that it pays to take that extra look, it's just that one time when you miss something.

Dump bodies on trucks are another one to use some discretion with too. Seen that happen before.

I deal with these darned high voltage lines at our place quite often. I forget the voltage on each line, need to ask a lineman, ( additional line coming through currently on wood poles, and upgrades, still ongoing work etc.) On the set hung from steel towers, I think they are over 70,000 volts ea. or over 100,000 ea. and the bottom pair hang real low in the middle of the span, I'd not even chance crossing under with anything bigger than my 850 ford. I had a Cat 420 hoe back there and I crossed close to the tower where the lines are high, the hoe was too high for my liking. I know the conductor size is at it's max. size, according to the linemen they would would have to re-insulate to upgrade this set hung from the towers, but there's enough power there to melt a truck I'm sure. Been here all my life and I've always been real careful around them. Parents showed me an newspaper photo when I was a kid, of a burned pair of sneakers, just the rubber soles left, said the boy climbed the tower and that's all that was left, aint ever forgot that one. One tower I can drive right under and through it, used to get a kick out of that as a kid, then I took over the brush hogging and used to mow around the tower. Another set had big ole guy wires, those I used to drive in between, and no I'd not want to latch onto one by any means. With all the work going on at this easement now, I stay well away, they have made a temp bypass to erect another steel tower 150'-0" high, to make the crossing on the large pond, across the state road to the other new tower. Local college, R.P.I. needs more juice so this dormant easement is getting beefed up.

In the summer they hang lower and cross part of a nice field, and directly over a small freshwater fed pond, which my dad pushed out with our old D7, with an overhead ridge beam type cable blade. Looking at where the pond is now and where those wires are, I cannot imagine running a crawler under there, especially like one with the headache rack, there is a D8 in the YT photo ads with that same set up. Maybe they've sagged more since the late 60's, I dunno.

In the summer when it gets hot and humid, or heavy dew, things seem to crackle at night, I stay the hell away from em, I've always dreaded crossing under with the D7, so again have to go by the tower to be safe.

I've also noticed that when on foot, whilst crossing under the pair that hang low, ( that could be a joke, better not go there LOL ! ) if I hold my rifle at say port arms, but higher, I can get a consistent blue spark to jump across to my finger and buzz away !

Anyone care to comment on that ? It would seem to me they are too low, and it must be a solid 1" diameter conductor, say 12-14 feet above grade, lower when its hot and could be 70,000 volts or more. The towers have a cable grid surrounding the base in the ground, according to the as built drawings shown to me by the right of way agent.

That blue spark on the trigger gaurd can't be good, have always wondered at what point will it arc off at you, and I certainly won't be checking for spark under there anymore.


It's good to hear this turned out without much more than a scare, and is also a good reminder about safety around power lines. Boy that was a close one, and fortunate that the power at that location was the way it was.

Had it happen to me once, was on a road job, undercutting a street, and the old junk excavator, an Insley 1000 that I was running had some worn out control linkages, while swinging under the secondary lines, the linkage for the boom broke and jammed somehow. The boom was headed into the secondary lines, I could not stop it, I jumped out before it hit, this shut the job down for the day. City worker lost control of a late 60's vintage heavy duty snowblower, on a steep hill, he jumped, it was headed for a pole with 3 transformers on it, broke the pole in half and the lines were laying across it, and this was 2 days ago. Now they're getting a new one.

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Gerald J.

02-23-2007 07:46:27




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to Billy NY, 02-22-2007 21:23:28  
Lines of any voltage don't meet the National Electrical Safety Code at 12 to 14 feet above the ground. Ask the utility to check the clearance and if they won't fix them send a letter to the state utilities board complaining about the low clearance. That WILL catch their attention. Lines with less than legal clearance kill too many people, especially farmers. Though moving an auger while its up has no safety for the clearance of any line. I've investigated many injuries and deaths, mostly in Iowa over the past 35 years from power line with inadequate clearances and from overly tall farm equipment not used wisely.

Its hard to judge the clearances to lines and unsafe to measure with anything but a surveyor's transit or a known clean fiberglass pole made for the purpose used by a lineman wearing appropriate insulating gloves.

That fellow missing both legs and an arm sounds like my first case testifying in court, by the name of Hysell. Happened in Sioux City, probably about 1973.

Gerald J.

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huntingreen

02-22-2007 20:30:46




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
Were you in TN? I heard that happened today in Middle TN. Guy with a core drill hit a high voltage line. I think he was flowan to the hospital with burns.



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Davis In SC

02-22-2007 19:44:54




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
Glad you are OK, Wayne.. Those close calls can really get you attention. There is a big clearing/excavation project going on up the road, I noticed they had put jumpers across all three phases and the ground on the lines crossing the project.



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fixerupper

02-22-2007 19:29:24




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
A couple of years ago, at a farm we were harvesting, a worker who was running a loader loading bales left the loader too high and touched a high voltage line. The tires blew out and started burning so he jumped but was touching the tractor when he hit the ground. It turned out very tragic. I did not see it nor did I want to, but they said the tractor and a hay stack burned up from this mishap but that was small compared to the loss of a life. Jim

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Rick Kr

02-22-2007 18:48:03




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
I was upgrading to 200A service at my old house, my buddy works for the local power company. He says no problem he get a new meter box and will switch it all over for me.

He said it was no problem to do it hot.
While connecting the lines at the weatherhead one hit the aluminum siding and aluminum ladder. Needless to say it knocked him on his @$$. Thank God he wasn't seriously hurt. Still finished to job live. But, left the meter out while connecting it to my new panel in the house.

10 years later we all laugh about this, but at the time I think he believed his was invinceable. And yes he is a journeyman electrician. Kinda scary, huh.

Rick
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Peabo

02-22-2007 18:39:37




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
Very Very important for people to listen to this. IF YOU ARE IN THE SEAT OF A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT CONTACTS A HIGH VOLTAGE LINE STAY IN THE SEAT!!! I know it's counterintuitive but the last place you want to be is a path to ground. As long as you are in the seat you are like a bird on the wire and have a real good chance of making it through with no injuries.



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RAB

02-22-2007 23:08:54




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to Peabo, 02-22-2007 18:39:37  
The reasoning is this: electric current is moving electrons; they are all the same charge (negative), so they repel each other (similar to "like" magnet poles); that means they try to get as far away from the next one as possible. Result is they all flow around the outer extremes of the vehicle structure so if you are at the centre no current is near you. It is called the Faraday cage principle.
Like - if lightning strikes a car, you are OK if you are inside it; "planes are often struck by lightning and all inside are safe.
Regards, RAB

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Ken L.

02-22-2007 18:12:26




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
Was there a brown pile in the seat when you got out? Yes you are lucky. I work as a machanic for a company that does transmission, distribution, overhead and underground. I have seen machines that were ruined by power lines. We see a couple a year and they are a mess. That's not the bad part. I've seen the guys who have been burned. I feel sorry for them. Some are lucky and get temporary burns and damage. Others are not so lucky. They burn from the inside out. The damage can go on for years. The pain can be unbearable.
Saw one guy at a safety meeting about a year ago. Both legs and one arm are artificial. He has internal damage still going on and a lot of pain. His accident was over twenty years ago. Please be careful around electricity. And it's not just the big lines that can kill you. 110 can kill you in an instant. Glad you didn't get burned.

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bigjt

02-22-2007 18:11:58




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to NCWayne, 02-22-2007 17:43:53  
Good advise.

I only had problems with overhead lines once. They were 220 and the Father of the friend I was doing the work for works with hot lines on the job. What was real funny was I was pushing a tree, I was pushing away from the line, Had it loose but couldn't get it out. Buddy suggested that I push the other way. I pointed out the lines I had noticed. Buddy said THEY'LL MISS NO PROBLEM. Took him at his word and pushed the other way and watched the sparks fly. Fortunatly in my case also no one was hurt and the subject brings a laugh when we bring it up again.

I had called that one right originally and try to look up from now on.

This one applies to hauling old iron also guys. Remember the elevator on a Threshing machine may clear on the ground but if you add the 3 to 4 feet of a trailer deck you may be in trouble.

BE CAREFUL OUT THERE

jt

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charley hellickson

02-22-2007 23:01:17




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to bigjt, 02-22-2007 18:11:58  
Hi Wayne. I too am glad you are ok.I have done what you guys are talking about. It was 4-16-76 about 9:00 AM. I worked at the Firestone Tire plant in Des Moines IA. I was standing ontop of a bulk pigment rail car I was unloading. I had a broom with about 16' of electrical conduit fastened to it to reach down into the car to clean it out around the unloading port. It was the third time it had been used, first time I used it. There are six power lines running over the car into a substation beside the unloading station. I never thought about those lines. They are stacked 2-2-2. Each line carries 69000 volts. I planted my feet and raised up the broom to stick it thru the loading port hole.My supervisor was standing on the steel platform beside the car. It had steps up to it and a hinged gang plank to get on top of the cars. The next thing I know was Rex Downard was hollering for help, need some help up here. I didn't feel anything. Then it went thru my mind what happened and I thought, how are the going to get me off of it. This only took like a second or two and then it spun me around 180 degrees and blew me into the air like a rocket. I was going up spreadeagled and felt like I was floating on a cloud. Rex said I went 30' up, I don't know. I was looking at the ground and knew I was going down there and there was nothing I could do about. I said Lord help me. That is the last thing I know. The rest of it Rex told me. The car was a rounded type tanker with the catwalks on the outside of the loading portholes down the center. Rex ran across the car and grabbed my leg and hung onto me till somebody got up there to help. Rex didn't know how he did it. I was 6' and about 235 LBS. When I came too I was lying on the catwalk of the car. The first thing out of my mouth was, Glory be to Jesus I am alive. I couldn't see anything but a little light and couldn't feel anything. I didn't even know what there was of me. I could smell the burned flesh and oh did it stink. I was taken to two hospitals in Des Moines and then sent to the UOI Hospitals in Iowa City, burn center. Spent 4wks. there. Iowa City said the electricity never went thru my body, it went over me. They couldn't find a hole where it went in or came out. That 69000 ripped slits in my clothes and a slit in my left 8" Red Wing boot. I saw the pictures of it, my foot prints were burned into the top of that car. There was a white line around each shoe and just inside that was all these little white dots. The electicity went thru every nail in my shoes. I had second and third degree burns over 60+ percent of my body. Burned the gloves off of my hands. Burned all of my left leg but the knee cap, it was still white. Lower leg grew all new skin back. I was told that 30 minutes after it happened, the top three officals from Iowa Power & Light stood there and said there was no way a man could live thru that. The enginer over my area told Rex that the electicity should have gone thru me and blew me apart like a firecracker. I still have 10 fingers and 10 toes. All the burns are under my clothes. This came out a little long but it is what electricity can do to you and this is my testamony. Thanks. Charley.

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Rexalot

02-22-2007 23:26:20




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 Re: Dangers of high voltage lines, in reply to charley hellickson, 02-22-2007 23:01:17  
Seems like quite a few have a story about power lines... myself included.

I was loading corn on semi trailer"s with a Kinze grain cart and a JD8960 4WD. The trucks/trailers were parked along the edge of the field near the power lines, just inside the poles where the wires had the most ground clearance. During the day I never came close, but as it became dark, the guys driving the trucks stayed more on the road than in the field edge. After I completed unloading on one trailer while pulling away I began folding the auger on the cart. I just happened to look back and to my shock I had snagged a power line. Getting it off the auger wasn"t as simple as backing out the way I came into it, not with the big articulating JD 8960. Luckily there was enough stretch (I had it pulled atleast 6 foot from where it should have been) in that power line that I didn"t do any damage to the line, the equipment or myself. Lesson learned. Be cognizant of where your at at all times.

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