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Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydrolic

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Kathy Hyde

02-18-2007 18:25:00




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We were told our 9N would lift a 2500 lb round bale with the three point. We tried a 700 # bale and it would not do it. A friend has said that the original came with a pump that would lift 1200# but there was an option to order a heavy duty one at that time that would lift 2500#. Does anyone know if this is true? If so what can we do to get ours to lift 1200#. Can you still order a heavy duty pump?

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souNdguy

02-19-2007 08:13:17




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
Someone lied to you when they said the tractor would lift a 2500# bale. heck.. that's near the tractor weight.

The pumps psi limit is about 1500-1700 psi, and 2.85 gpm. It lifts about 700-800# on the 3pt befor ethe nose comes up. With front ballast, you can sometimes get near 1000 on the lift if everything is perfect. I've heard of people shimming the relief and running it to the limit and getting 1200-1500 pounds of lift while really abusing the axles and ebarings and pump.. Don't expent it to have any kind of lifetime of doint that.

Best to get a doodlebug hay trailer an PULL a bale behind it.

I have a ford 660 and 850 with a fel, and can lift 800-1200# bales on a loader.. but it is all it wants.

i imagine you need to have a ford 5000 to lift a 2500# bale on the 3pt lift. My 5000 lifts a 2500# mower just fine ont he 3pt lift. I also have about 420# of weights up front as well.

Soundguy

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Kathy Hyde

02-19-2007 12:29:02




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 Then a 3010 JD would lift 1200-1800#? in reply to souNdguy, 02-19-2007 08:13:17  
the only other option I have found around here for handling the round bales is a JD 3010 with a front end loader. Would this be adequate for my big bale sm. tractor problem? If so what should I expect to pay for one of these in marginal condition?Kat



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soundguy

02-19-2007 15:05:54




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 Re: Then a 3010 JD would lift 1200-1800#? in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-19-2007 12:29:02  
That's a 50+ hp machine with a cat 2 3pt hitch.. made in the early 60's.

Cat 2 hitch and that hp means at least, it should tote a bale on the 3pt.. and I would imagine if the fel is 'normal' duty and in good repair.. it should handle a large bale fine.

I've seen them here from 3500-6500$ for the tractor.. the fel will add about a 500$ premium..

If in doubt, tell the owner what you intend to use it for and see if he has something large in his yard you can pick up in order to test the laoder hyds.. etc. If the loader will do it.. I'm sur ethe owner will test it for you while you watch.. or let you test it, in order to make the sale.. If he don't let you.. and doesn't have a good excuse ( like not having anything to lift ).... I wouldn't buy..

Soundguy

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Kathy Hyde

02-19-2007 17:43:33




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 Re: Then a 3010 JD would lift 1200-1800#? in reply to soundguy, 02-19-2007 15:05:54  
Thanks for your advise... I think I will go check out this 3010 again. Tried to attach a picture of it but couldn't figure how to do it on this site. You've been very helpful.kat



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Michael Price

02-19-2007 21:03:57




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 Re: Then a 3010 JD would lift 1200-1800#? in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-19-2007 17:43:33  
Instead of a hand winch to lift it you could get a pto hydraulic pump and lift it with a cylinder. Or even get one of those cheap electric winches.



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Kathy Hyde

02-20-2007 18:59:21




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 Re: Then a 3010 JD would lift 1200-1800#? in reply to Michael Price, 02-19-2007 21:03:57  
Thanks Soundguy for another idea out of the box. there is always another way to skin a cat!



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Kathy Hyde

02-19-2007 08:57:10




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to souNdguy, 02-19-2007 08:13:17  
Thanks Soundguy...i do think the bale wagon(dolly) would be the trick. I have never seen one of these before. I live in Montana. I wonder where I would find one of these? I never did want to pick up 2500 but was hoping for 1200.Kat



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souNdguy

02-19-2007 10:48:14




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-19-2007 08:57:10  
Our Tractor Supply stores down here carry the hay doodle bugs.

Aso.. to address one more part of your original post. Some ferguson tractors had a different pump option to get more lift.. but those were fergy systems.. not fords.. etc.

Soundguy



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maplehillfrm,pat---pictur

02-19-2007 05:52:37




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 check this out,,, in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
third party image

something like this,,you can build something like this with steel and an axle,



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Kathy Hyde

02-19-2007 20:56:54




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 Re: check this out,,, hay dolly in reply to maplehillfrm,pat---pictur, 02-19-2007 05:52:37  
Hey Pat...do you make these hay dollies(buggy)? I'm not so clever as to make one of these. Don't even have a shop. Hard to build something in the winter! Thanks for the picture. How do you send a picture on here?



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maplehillfrm,pat

02-19-2007 21:40:36




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 Re: check this out,,, hay dolly in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-19-2007 20:56:54  
hi kathy, no I dont build them, I just saw your dilemma and found this on the net,, I have built things out of nessacity and I think these would be fairly easy to do,,

as far as pictures ,, you need to have them on the net somewhere and then insert them here in the image url spot under neath,, you can actually put a picture from your pc to the photo gallerie here easy with instructions,, then right click, highlight the jpg info and copy and paste to a post...easy after the first time you do it,

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mike a. tenn.

02-19-2007 06:08:07




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 Re: check this out,,, in reply to maplehillfrm,pat---pictur, 02-19-2007 05:52:37  
hey pat...wheres the bale hook that swings over from the front crossbar of the cradle? all that i've seen have one. they're made so, with the cradle layed back, you back into the ble, throw the bale hook over to hold the bale on while you crank the cradle back over.

-mike



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maplehillfrm,pat

02-19-2007 21:44:47




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 Re: check this out,,, in reply to mike a. tenn., 02-19-2007 06:08:07  
hey mike, I just found this on the internet, I never used this type, I just wanted to show kathy what one looke dlike, it appears this one you back into the flat side of the round bale and it cradles it that way? I also notice that that is actually a picture of one behind the front one too, so it looks like a double set of forks..pat



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Kathy Hyde

02-20-2007 19:07:51




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 Re: check this out,,, in reply to maplehillfrm,pat, 02-19-2007 21:44:47  
Hi Pat and Mike...it was good to see one of those bale dollies. Kind of hard to imagine with out a picture. Now I need to just find one close to home..NW Montana. thanks too for the steps to follow for adding a picture



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ed1

02-19-2007 04:20:38




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
If you like driving on it's 2 rear wheels. I think you need a bigger tractor



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Michael Price

02-18-2007 20:31:33




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
You may not need a bigger tractor, just a different way to pick up the bale. Ive seen this thing thats like one of those dollies for truck or tractor tires. it pulls like a trailer and you back up and there is a wheel on each side of the bale and the spear picks up so the bale in on the wheels and not the tractor. The picture I seen they were pulling the big bales with a atv.



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Kathy Hyde

02-18-2007 20:57:01




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Michael Price, 02-18-2007 20:31:33  
Thanks Mikel Price for your creative way to get around my small tractor problem. I'll have to check into this bale dolly. Today we were stuck with two 1200# bales deposited down at my neighors because my driveway was too icy for the man to deliever. After sanding the driveway.. we pushed the bale up onto a trailer..pulled the trailer into the pasture..tipped them up with the tractor and put the feeder around it. I was starting to think handling 1500 small bales a year wasn't so bad. I'll have to look into this clever wheeled carrier.kat

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michael price

02-18-2007 21:11:22




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 20:57:01  
I looked on the internet just now and cant seem to find one of these things. Im pretty sure I seen it in farmshow magazine. Tomorrow if I think about it Ill look through some I have laying around and see if I can find it. It was real simple, I could build one easy.



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Bob

02-18-2007 20:31:20




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
An "N" Ford will only lift 800 Lbs., give or take, at the back of the 3-point arms.

A bale spear puts the center of the load considerably to the rear of that point, putting the lift at a mechanical disadvantage, compared to a load right at the arms.

So, NO WAY is it going to lift MORE weight put on a bale spear than the 800+ pounds it can lift right at the arms.



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Kathy Hyde

02-18-2007 20:11:14




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
Thanks all for your replies. I actually had only been hoping to lift a 900# bale but after a few other people saying they had lifted 1200# bales with their 9Ns we had hope for bigger than 900. Then when we couldn't lift the 700# bale that the front end lifted with log forks we thought there must be something wrong with our hydrolics. The tires are fluid filled(supposedly 500lbs per tire, wheel and all?) It lifts and lowers a back blade for plowing just fine and carries things fine on the front end. This tractor was build in 1940 and the engine purrs. What size of tractor do you recommend to haul 1200-1500# bales short distances and only lift 1-2ft off the ground. Thanks again.kat

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old

02-18-2007 19:08:38




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
That tractor if all is working ok will lift more then the front end can handle or in other words it will flip it over on top of the person sitting on it. They can or should be able to lift 700-800lbs but thats it and even then the front end gets real light. Now as far as 2500lbs bales even they are few and far between. But as the others have said you need a lot more tractor to handle big round bales. Even my 841 is just enough to get by with to move my bales and I use a front end loader to do so.

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Easy1

02-18-2007 18:56:22




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
I think you need a much larger tractor. A 2500lb bale might be more than the tractor weighs. I think the little fords lift was 6 - 800 lbs MAX! If you somehow got it off the ground, you couldn't steer, the front wheels would be in the air. Be careful!



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hillybillyOH

02-18-2007 18:30:56




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 Re: Did the 9N tractors have two options for Hydro in reply to Kathy Hyde , 02-18-2007 18:25:00  
No N-Series tractor is going to move a 2,500 lb. bale. Whoever told you that was, excuse my French, an IDIOT.

I wouldn't even try the 700 lb bale.

If you want to deal with round bales, you'll need a bigger and sturdier machine.



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