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alliswd

02-16-2007 19:43:32




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your thoughts/comments on a GM or Dodge diesel engine, ones made between 1992 and 1998. also leaning towards a manual transmisson.




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Jerry Cent. Mi.

02-18-2007 04:57:57




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 Re: diesel pickup in reply to alliswd, 02-16-2007 19:43:32  
The utility companies watch their cost very close. They run mostly Fords.



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gold- leaf-deere

02-17-2007 06:50:26




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 Re: diesel pickup in reply to alliswd, 02-16-2007 19:43:32  
If you are going to work it, go with the Dodge/Cummins. I know of at least five of them with over a million miles on each. They are used to pull camping trailers. There is one in central Indiana with 1,300,000 and still on the road. In my opinion the old 12 valve 6BT is longer lasting and has better economy that the new 24 valve electronic.



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Bill(Wis)

02-17-2007 05:35:36




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 Re: diesel pickup in reply to alliswd, 02-16-2007 19:43:32  
Generally, V8s have shorter strokes than in-lines. Longer strokes produce torque over a wider RPM band. Very few V8s in farm tractors. Mostly in-line.



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Steven@AZ

02-17-2007 05:25:53




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 Re: diesel pickup in reply to alliswd, 02-16-2007 19:43:32  
I've said it before and I'll say it again... if a V-8 diesel is the way to go, how come most of the over the road trucks, agricultural equipment, and industrial engines are inline 6?

I know of several mid-90's Dodge Cummins with over 300k on them with almost no problems at all. A friend of mine had his headgasket start leaking around 330k, they pulled it in the shop and were going to overhaul it while it was apart. Pulled the head and the cross-hatch was still in the cylinders and no ridge. New headgasket and kept on driving it.

My brother's 98 12-valve pulls good and will get around 20 mpg empty if you keep it under 65mph. I think it had around 170k on it when he rolled it, still didn't use much oil (maybe a quart to 5000) so we are looking for a cab to repair it and put it back on the road.

The only real problems I've heard of with a 12-valve Cummins and 5-speed are the loss of 5th gear and the front end on the 4x4 will not take much abuse before it starts loosening up.

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Native

02-17-2007 04:22:43




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 Re: diesel pickup in reply to alliswd, 02-16-2007 19:43:32  
If you want learn more about Dodge trucks with the Cummins try the following website: also for my money,the best years for the Dodge/Cummins combination was 96-98.5



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caseyc

02-16-2007 20:05:46




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 Re: diesel pickup in reply to alliswd, 02-16-2007 19:43:32  
just like bob, i'm also GM man w/ a 95 k3500. i love the truck but it is hard to beat a cummins for pulling. the 89-93's were rough riders but they give a honest days work. the GM is a much nicer ride but won't last long with a trailer permantly attached. i maybe pull 10k plus only a few times a month so the GM does alright. at work the gooseneck never comes off so it's cummins all the way!

casey in SD

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Bob

02-16-2007 19:57:16




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 Re: diesel pickup in reply to alliswd, 02-16-2007 19:43:32  
I'm a GM guy, and have had a 1994 6.5 TD for a LONG time, with good luck, using it as a "daily driver". No real problems at all.

However, if you intend to PULL with it, the Cummins is ONLY choice of the two.

The 6.5's were prone to overheating, made worse by the fact they didn't have an aftercooler to keep the charge air temperature to a reasonable level during heavy towing.

The 6.5 blocks were extremely prone to cracking.

Along about '96 or '97, they put piston cooling oil nozzles in the engines, which required drilling passages that further weakened the engine block.

A new long block (with the block now cast with higher nickle content cast iron by Navistar) will easily set you back $7000.00 without labor.

So you darned sure don't want to be the owner of a 6.5 whose block decides to crack!

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MSD

02-16-2007 19:49:04




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 Re: diesel pickup in reply to alliswd, 02-16-2007 19:43:32  
Those older Dodge-Cummings will go for ever. The 5 speeds had a problem with the nut coming off the 5th gear shaft. Wouldn't hurt the tranny, just no 5th gear. They updated the nut to stay on and also have an upgrade on the shaft so they don't come off. Haven't heard of that problem with the newer ones.



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