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adding an extra hydraulic line

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Al Babare

02-08-2007 17:31:12




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Any suggestions please. I want to add an extra hydraulic line to my old 1959 Fordson, to run a post driver. I don't want to tap into the 3PL hydraulics in the back, because it uses plain engine oil from the rear axle. I want to tap into the front-mounted hydraulic pump that is currently driving the front-end loader and power steering. I was going to put a tee-fitting into the line that goes to the controller for the loader. But now I'm thinking that can't work, because fluid will continue to bypass the loader controller (when in the neutral position), and there will be no pressure going to the new line. Is there a simple solution, or will the extra line cost a lot more than I thought?

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Dave So

02-08-2007 19:20:00




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 Re: adding an extra hydraulic line in reply to Al Babare, 02-08-2007 17:31:12  
I had a shaver post driver once doesn't take much
power or flow to run it it only has about a 1 1/2"
cylinder. Mine had it's own valve. You have to have
a way to get the oil back into the resevoir fast
because when you trip it those springs push that
weight down fast . As I recall after you lift the weight, the oil just flows on thru the valve until
you trip it to pound, and then it really comes out the return hose fast You better have a big resevoir

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J Schwiebert

02-08-2007 18:14:12




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 Re: adding an extra hydraulic line in reply to Al Babare, 02-08-2007 17:31:12  
Couple of options without seeing your loader control valve. First thing: What kind of loader valve do you have and can it be set up for "power beyond"? Second option if the first plan (adding power beyond) does not work. Get a "splitter Diverter" or what ever it is know as in your neighborhood and flip it for either the loader or the post driver. You will still need some kind of control for the post driller. Next question when you drill for post do you have a lot of rocks so there could be possiable shock loads on the post auger motor? More questions? J.

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Al Babare

02-08-2007 19:58:23




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 Re: adding an extra hydraulic line in reply to J Schwiebert, 02-08-2007 18:14:12  
Thanks for your very speedy reply. The idea of a 'splitter/diverter' came to mind, but I don't like the idea of having to flip it back and forwards to lift the bucket off the ground every time I move on to the next post. Or I would need to make something to hold the bucket up. The post auger/driver is a complete unit that I can borrow from a friend. All it needs is one hydraulic line in (also the return line is very long). It should handle rocks etc, although there are very few rocks close to the surface here.

The FEL controller is an old HYDRECO with 1 lever for up and down, and another lever for tilting the bucket back and forward, and all of the rams are double-acting. The controller therefore has 4 outlets. I guess 'power beyond' needs an extra outlet, but there is no 5th outlet. Just now a friend made the following suggestion, I would appreciate your comment. The line going from the controller/lever to the bucket tilt rams has a tee-fitting (with one opening capped off). I could connect a hyraulic line to this for the post driver. Then I just need to tie up the control lever to get pressure in the line. The return valve in the post driver should keep low pressure going to the bucket rams. My concern is that pressure will still be going to the bucket rams, which will the same as holding the control lever forward for long periods.
AB

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Joe(TX)

02-09-2007 06:47:13




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 Re: adding an extra hydraulic line in reply to Al Babare, 02-08-2007 19:58:23  
Connecting to the tee to the rams would not work.That would only make it work when the rams work.
If you install a diverter valve the bucket should stay up or down when switched to the driver.
An open center valve with a power beyond port could be installed in series with the existing valve. I has to be before the existing valve. A power beyond valve will have 5 ports. Inlet, up, down, power beyond, and tank. The power beyond supplies pressure to the existing valve.

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J Schwiebert

02-09-2007 03:09:19




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 Re: adding an extra hydraulic line in reply to Al Babare, 02-08-2007 19:58:23  
I sent you an e-mail. Let me know if you do or do not receive it. Your Power beyond port will be on the outlet side not where your connections are for the loader. J.



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