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PhilcaseinWPa

02-07-2007 06:29:09




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The people on this board always amaze me with their wide range of knowledge. After reading Gary's posts about safes I got to thinking about an old safe I have. I think it was my great grandfather's. The safe is made of steel and concrete and is on metal casters. The outside is about a 2 foot cube but the inside is small with 3 small shelves big enough to hold 1 box of checks per shelf and a taller copartment along side that can hold some larger envelopes (8" x 11") or so. For years the safe sat and was never used because we didn't have the 'key'. It was open but you needed the key to lock it. I found the key one day and now I can use it. The key is not the usual key. It is a brass bar with 5 or 6 pins of various lengths sticking out one edge. The bar is about 1 - 1.25" and the pins are at most 3/8" long. To lock or unlock the safe you have to stick the bar into a slot in the dial and turn the dial. Clockwise unlocks it and counterclockwise locks it. Are any of you familiar with this type of lock? I would like to get a spare key made but I don't know if it has to be part brass or why if it does or who could make one. Any comments appreciated.
Phil

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Arizona Bob

02-07-2007 11:27:32




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 Re: OT another safe question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 02-07-2007 06:29:09  
High secure locks were serial numbered by the manufacturer and the keys were made of softer metal, usually brass. It was cheaper to replace a key ordered from the manufacturer that to replace the lock mechanism. Or so I was told when I worked in a high security environment.

Bob



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Butcher

02-07-2007 10:00:40




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 Re: OT another safe question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 02-07-2007 06:29:09  
If you google "safe cracking" there are alot of sites that deal with what you are asking. Alot of them are a real interesting read even if you dont want to crack one.



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supergrumpy

02-07-2007 09:13:22




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 Re: OT another safe question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 02-07-2007 06:29:09  
I have been told that there are various types of "safes"

some keep the bad guys out for period of time depending on the bad guys and cost of the safe

others are mainly to protect important papers from fire and the mildly curious, low security but high temp resistance



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souNdguy

02-07-2007 07:39:42




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 Re: OT another safe question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 02-07-2007 06:29:09  
Sounds like a machinist could make ya a spare.

brass is good for wear to waer parts.. itt's soft.. won't mar other brass part.. doesnt gall much.. isnt terribly brittle.. and decent against corosion. ( easy to machine as well..)

I'll bet with some bar stock, lots of patience, and a file and rasp set you could dupe the key yourself..

I've made simple keys for lawnmowers and such with 'close' key blanks or sheet metal and files .. etc. The looser the lock.. the easier it is.

Soundguy

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mj

02-07-2007 09:03:00




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 Re: OT another safe question in reply to souNdguy, 02-07-2007 07:39:42  
A guy told me once that some locks have magnetized parts so you have a brass key to open them. Won't work with a steel or iron key; or regular lock-picking tools. :-)



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