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wagsw900

02-03-2007 18:05:29




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Went to adjust the valves on the 77 today and found a can of worms. I started looking at the valves and found 3 broken valve springs. Lucky me...I said. This was most likely my little engine miss I was trying to figure out. Those cylinders with the bad springs still had 120psi with the compression tester. Oh well, time to send the head in and get it reconditioned.

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dan hill

02-04-2007 16:06:37




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
Ive changed old chevy engine valve springs with out taking the head off.Looks like #1 has a water leak.



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ejr-IA.

02-04-2007 11:41:30




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
Number one looks better than the rest looking at the cylinder walls and the pistons.



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Sand Flat Bob

02-04-2007 05:29:15




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
The only engines I have tore into that looked like that, were getting coolant in the oil, also great for breaking valve springs. The ones I tore into that looked like this weren't Olivers, but they had coolant leaks around the sleeves. I would sure check out number 1 as when the cylinders are that clean, they usually are burning coolant. My experience was cracks in heads or blocks when only on one cylinder, could get lucky and just be a head gasket, but sure worth a close look.

Good luck,

Bob

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UncleTom

02-04-2007 05:05:19




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
The front cylinder looks like it is washed clean. All the rest have carbon on them. Hummmmm .



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old

02-03-2007 20:49:42




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
Looks like it sat for a while at one time as rusty as things are. If it where me I would also check the rings rod and mains. Proabably replace them since I had it open any how. I hate to do the top part with out doing the bottom since most of the time if you do one the other will soon need to be done

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Hobo,NC

02-03-2007 20:12:05




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
A runing compression check would have nailed it, the reason it did no on a crank"in check izz the compession sealed the valves and only needed to have enuff spring tension to hold"em till the compression took over.

The volumetric efficiency test or running compression test is a very good test to use any time you have a engine miss that can"t be traced to ignition or other basic systems or when there is a lack of power.

Step 1. Perform a cranking compression test with all plugs out and the throttle open.

Step 2. Record your cranking compression readings. Make

sure the charging system was up to snuff so all cylinders were tested under the same conditions.

Step 3. Install all plugs but one. Install a standard compression gauge in the remaining hole with the shrader valve in place.

Step 4. Start the engine. Yes, it will run but will be missing on the cylinder with the compression gauge. Burp the gauge and allow the reading to stabilize. It will be bouncing around at about 50 to 60 psi. (the throttle is causing a restriction and the piston is moving fast compared to cranking speed causing only a partial fill of the combustion chamber).

Step 5. Snap the throttle wide open and return to idle. The gauge will hold at the peak reading. This reading is higher than idle because the peak comes at the instant the throttle restriction is removed and the piston speed is relatively slow.

Step 6. Record your readings for running snap compression for all cylinders. The running compression reading should be approx. 80% of cranking compression. (example: cranking compression = 150psi running compression should = about 120psi)

If your running reading is below 80% of cranking compression, the intake system is causing a restriction. If the running reading is above 80% of cranking compression, the exhaust system is causing a restriction. If the problem is in one cylinder you either have a problem with a worn camshaft, broken spring/rocker, carbon build up, etc. If the problem is on all cylinders look for a restricted intake system or clogged cat/muffler. The 80% spec is a ballpark spec and should be used as such. Remember that cranking compression is a measure of cylinder seal while running compression is a measure of volumetric efficiency or the cylinders ability to draw the air/fuel mixture into the combustion chamber Also what a cranking compression test tells ya and remember its only a place to start, if you have problems you will need to do a cylinder leak down test to trace the leakage.

the first stroke of the compression (assuming it is not starting on an open
valve condition) indicates valve sealing capabilities. Generally, it should
be about 2/3 of the total compression. The first stroke is the valve
sealing, and each stroke afterwards, whether you do 4 total, 5 total, or
absolute total compression

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wagsw900

02-03-2007 18:58:55




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
Just purchased from the one owner. It was overhauled in 1962 with a super 77 kit. He said he used non detergent oil till they game out with mutli grade. Then he used 10-40 mobil. some of the springs were pretty rusty. Lots of oil sludge up on top.



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Walt Davies

02-04-2007 08:58:47




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:58:55  
Well that was 40 some years ago so I'm not surprised to see it needs a little help now. I would think a complete overhaul is in order for it. Walt



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Don-WI

02-03-2007 23:44:27




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:58:55  
Ya know, not even my 1600 was that bad up top when I took it apart, and that burned so much oil we kept dumping in used oil for the last 15 or so years before I rebuilt it. The pan on the other hand had about 1/2inch or more of sludge on the bottom so I'd atleast drop the pan if I were you... that engine looks filthy!!

Donovan from Wisconsin



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TomTX

02-03-2007 18:10:43




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
Too bad about the valve springs, but you are doing the right thing in getting the head conditioned. Out of curiosity, what weight and brand of oil have you been running? Tom



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kopeck

02-03-2007 18:08:09




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 Re: Oliver valve adjustment leads to more work!! P in reply to wagsw900, 02-03-2007 18:05:29  
Is it just me or are those rockers, springs etc kind of on the rusty side?

All my running engines are pretty clean up top...

K



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