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Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many phot

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jdemaris

02-03-2007 12:48:13




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Somebody on this forum - a few weeks back - asked about storing winter's cold and using it in the summer. That's basically what we did today. The water-powered (and steam) grist and saw mill that my wife helps run had it's annual ice-harvest today on the mill pond. It's all pretty much done the way it was 150 - 200 years ago. It gets stacked in the ice house packed in saw-dust, and this summer they will use it - mostly to make ice cream. The mules pull the ice-marker/scorer. Then the ice gets sawed by hand. There's also a Ford Model T powered ice-cutter. Ice chunks get pulled up the ramp onto the loading dock. The draft-horses pull the loaged ice-sled to the ice-house. The harvest was initially cancelled two weeks ago - since we had the warmest winter on record. Then - went to below zero, off and on. We had 18 below zero last week and the ice is now 8" thick. 4 degrees F. above this morning, and warmed up later to 18F. The one dark photo was first thing this morning. I was trying to get a shot of the moon - and a plow truck came by with flashers on (and got stuck for an hour). The mule scoring ice is from Erie-Canal village-museum. The big holstein is an ox in training. The happy little kid is my three-year old. He got cold in the snow and found a dry spot under a barn-eave by the mill's big steam-engine boiler.

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Kent in KC

02-05-2007 08:43:17




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
Cool pics (pun). One question: with those animals around, do you have to watch out for yellow ice?



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Jerry/MT

02-03-2007 21:29:49




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
What a great bunch of pictures! Thanks for the article and sharing a part of Americana with us.



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Wisconsin Cowman

02-03-2007 20:11:08




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
There is a good article in Farm Collector about ice harvesting.



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mj

02-03-2007 19:56:35




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
Nice! Thanks for sharing!



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buickanddeere

02-03-2007 17:35:38




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
I noticed the lad ssawing ice by hand. It must have been awful cold for the kid on the other end of the saw?



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T_Bone

02-03-2007 15:10:44




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
Hi JD,

Thanks for a really interesting well written article.

You should see about posting that permanetly in the Community section so others can enjoy it too.

Someone posted some old pictures of ice cutting equipment on the Talers Forum last week that included one of a motorized ice saw.

T_Bone



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John 51

02-03-2007 14:40:26




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 Did you know?? in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
That, at one time, ice was a major export item of the United States and Canada? Much if it was sold in the Caribbean and southern Europe. It rivaled wheat and cotton in value.



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Hugh MacKay

02-03-2007 13:54:10




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
J Demaris: Couple of items in your text caught my eye. First the mule, just last week I found myself e mailing Bob M, inquiring about good reading on the history of the Erie Canal. Bob gave me some good suggestions, but didn't mention the museum. Where is the museum situated, might want to visit that someday.

Next the Model T ice cutter, we didn't get a photo on that one. This one has me curious as I remember a 8N 3 point hitch ice cutter in my hometown, just barely but I do remember seeing it. As I recall it was not a roaring success, as it was little more than a circular bench saw upsidedown. Story has it that a somewhat reckless operator, travelling to the site where there was open water. He bumped the 3 point lever on hard ice with tractor facing the hole. This sent the tractor at about 15 mph into 8' of open water.

I also remember the last couple of years my dad used the ice house. he used the ice in summer for cooling cream. He had a concrete below floor tank with water level to milk can handles. As I recall it was new ice couple times per day in July.

I can also remember the teams of horses, hauling ice to the various farms on bobsleds. There is a story about a Mr. Cox, had some youngsters on sled load of ice. In the middle of a hayfield a cake of ice fell off. The kids rushed to tell Mr. Cox of the loss. It is reported Mr. Cox said, "don't worry about it, we'll pick it up in haying time." Well, he didn't fool the kids, most of them went home told their mothers, how niave Mr. Cox was to think the ice cake would be there in haying time. That joke on Mr. Cox lasted more years than ice harvest.

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jdemaris

02-03-2007 14:37:37




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-03-2007 13:54:10  
The ice-harvest in the photos is nowhere near Erie Canal. The guy - actually - the guy and his wife who bring the mules are from Erie Canal Village Museum in Rome, New York. The ice-harvest is in East Meredith, New York at Hanford Mills Museum. My wife is the asst. director. The people with the mules are nice enough to bring them here every year. The website for Erie Canal Village is . . . - wait a minute. I forgot - I can't post links here - the word-police will delete my post. This reply has already been deleted twice - with no warning - and it's tough trying to figure what extactly is being disallowed. Just do a search for "erie canal village" and it will come right up. Their contact info is: 5789 New London Road (Routes 46 & 49) Rome, New York 13440 If you read about the Erie Canal, then you realize it was first made by joining a bunch of small canals that were dug all over the place. In reference to the Model T ice-saw - they don't use it - it's too "modern" being a 1918 vintage. The museum is not a replica - it's one of the few, still intact, water-powered saw and grist mills. It did have steam power at one time for use when water was low, and they're in the process of getting the steam going again. In regard to cooling cream - in my area - many milk houses were built over springs or creeks to keep the cream and milk cool. Ice was also used. Many old-timers used to go into the deep woods by favorite fishig spots. They'd saw ice, dig a hole an bury it with grass, leaves, straw, etc. Then, in the hot summer - they go back in, catch fish and pack them on the ice they'd saved.

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Hugh MacKay

02-03-2007 15:00:26




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 14:37:37  
J Demaris: Model T too modern, been awhile since anyone used that phrase. I will record both the Canal museum and the Hanford Mills Museum. That ice cream does sound inviting. The Mrs. and I should be able to get our waste lines in order for ice cream by summer.

Thanks for the photos and the back ground information. This could all work in well on a drive around Lake Ontario.



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2x4

02-03-2007 13:39:41




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
which one is you?



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jdemaris

02-03-2007 14:20:54




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to 2x4, 02-03-2007 13:39:41  
I'm the one holding the camera - on the wrong end for any photos. The little kid is mine - he got his photo-op in.



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bo

02-03-2007 13:15:38




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
Excellent! Thank you for sharing.



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twomile

02-03-2007 13:14:30




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to jdemaris, 02-03-2007 12:48:13  
Thanks, I really enjoyed your post. Helps us to better understand the hardships of our ancestors. It also gives us a perspective of part of the purpose of winter that doesn't seem relevent in todays world. What a great experience for everyone!



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Davis In SC

02-03-2007 13:19:56




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to twomile, 02-03-2007 13:14:30  
We take a lot for granted, these days. Ice was once quite a luxury. It was packed on ships, in straw, and sailed to ports down south. Only the wealthy could afford it.



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Hugh MacKay

02-03-2007 14:49:59




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 Re: Today's old-time ice harvest - warning- many in reply to Davis In SC, 02-03-2007 13:19:56  
Davis: Shipping ice down south reminded me, just in the last 10 years a friend of mine was involved in shipping refrigerated containers of snow to the Caribean for Christmas. He was shipping balsam fir Christmas trees and the buyer sent a request for the snow. I have feeling it was not successful, never heard him mention it since. They even shipped those trees in refer containers, and I know he still does that.

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