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Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way

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old

01-29-2007 15:23:24




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Went to town to get stuff to fix the roof today and at my last stop I pushed the clutch pedal down on my Geo tracker and start it. It started and died because the clutch cable acted like it had broke. Well I put on a new cable and still the same problem. So any guesses as to what would just go out but still have the clutch engaged?? I did drive it home that way just started it in gear ans shafted it like I would a big rig. I'm thinking throw out bearing and or preassure plate whats your guess.
Thanks

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nobody

02-01-2007 20:03:38




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
Pretty sure the clutch pedal broke at the weld,eather where the splines are welded to the cross shaft(where the cable is fastered to the pedal above the gas pedal)or where pedal itself is welded to the cross shaft.My wife had 97 geo Tracker, I put five clutch pedals in it,three from a salvage yard and two from the factory.Finally took one to a welder and had it done right.They are jig welded, the first factory job lasted 70 miles. Can check it by laying on your back on the floor, shine a light up under the dashsnd work the pedal by hand to see what's wrong. You'll likly find the pedal is'nt pulling the cable out as far as it should.

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old

02-01-2007 20:32:15




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to nobody, 02-01-2007 20:03:38  
Clutch control lever broke at the point where it was bolted to the throw out bearing rod. $20 and it was fixed



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Kent in KC

01-30-2007 05:41:26




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
Call Click and Clack on Car Talk radio.



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banjo

01-29-2007 22:16:31




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
is there any springs inside the bell housing? maybe when the old cable broke the pivot came loose. I have had a broke pressure plate do the same thing as described.But it started grinding gears first then it finally gave it up. I hate pulling transmissions.



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SteveKy

01-29-2007 18:52:38




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
Old, I think that has a pivot bolt on the other end. Cable pulls on one end throw-out bearing in the center pivot ball on the end, more than likely broken pivot or worn through the fork.Still have to pull it out.Been there fixed that.



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RodInNS

01-29-2007 18:51:48




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
Dunno. I've had the pinch bolt or pin that holds the fork to the cross shaft let go before. Other than that, broken fingers on the PP.... Dunno. Open her up and find out.
I do know the feeling of driving without a clutch. Stayed with a friend at the dockyard in Halifax a few years ago one cold night, and the cold buggered the seals in the slave cylinder. Drove home about 300 miles with little, then no clutch, through the city for part of that. Not an experience I'd care to repeat any time soon. Good luck.

Rod

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Errin OH

01-29-2007 17:05:25




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
Stuck clutch or broken mech linkage. Including a broken pressure plate. Doubt a throw out bearing would do much but make noise unless it came all apart. But I'd think you'd still hear it ratteling around. Try driving it around holding the clutch down. Do you feel any pressure on the pedal like it is engaging the pressure plate????



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old

01-29-2007 17:56:16




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to Errin OH, 01-29-2007 17:05:25  
If you push the pedal down it will stay down after you remove your foot so I know it has to be in the bell houseing



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Errin OH

01-29-2007 17:11:09




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 One I'd never guessed in reply to Errin OH, 01-29-2007 17:05:25  
Had a 78 Ford PU in the shop once that the clutch would not disengage. After tearing out the tranny and replacing every wearable part and just shaking my head, it turned out to be the thrust bearing in the engine. It was gone (thrust part) and when you pushed in the clutch it pushed the crank forward..... ... Engine ran perfectly



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riverbend

01-29-2007 16:36:32




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
My guess is that the pilot bearing died.

Greg



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David Gray

01-29-2007 15:38:14




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
Had the same thing happen to my "76 Ford F-100 years ago. The revits holding the throwout bearing pivot bracket broke, so I had to start it in gear and shift with the accelerator like you did. Pulled the tranny and installed a couple of bolts where the revits had been. I hope your problem is as easy.



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RayP(MI)

01-29-2007 16:50:43




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to David Gray, 01-29-2007 15:38:14  
Had somewhat the same problem with a car years ago - the lever that acts to push the clutch in and out pivoted on a bolt with a half round ball under the head, kinda like a valve lifter pivot. the bolt worked loose - had to split the motor and clutch assy to tighten the bolt. What a pain!



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MEM

01-29-2007 15:29:05




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:23:24  
what about the clutch mastrer or slave cylinder. My Honda pulled that and it was a bad slave cylinder



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old

01-29-2007 15:33:21




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to MEM, 01-29-2007 15:29:05  
Its a cable type clutch set up so it has no master or slave cylinder. I know from what I have found so far its inside of the bell houseing some place but not sure what yet and just want a few good guesses and maybe some one else has had this problem on a Geo Tracker



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Janicholson

01-29-2007 17:20:27




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:33:21  
Five possibles for you.
The throwout bearing wore through the diaphram fingers! Replace both and the disk as well.
The pivot point on the pressure plate may have broken allowing the fingers to move in without doing anything to pry the plate outward.
The disk can comeapart in the center and pieces can jamb up the disk remains within the pressure plate and keep it driving (real possible)
The pilot bearing could be seized driving the tranny no matter what the clutch is doing.
The throw out bearing could be not moving on its pivot. The metal can give up allowing the shaft or rod to not move the bearing on its guide shaft.

This car (if I remember) has a spring under the dash to assist in clutch action. The clutch is so easy to push it is hard to tell by the push effort if anything is broken. THose are my prognostications. JimN

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old

01-29-2007 17:59:52




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to Janicholson, 01-29-2007 17:20:27  
Yes it sort of has an over center feel to the pedel so yes you can push if down easy. When I put the new cable on I found I could move the lever on the bell housing could be pushed easy so I figure it has to be something like the preasure plate or throw out bearing.



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Bob in Butler

01-29-2007 17:10:40




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to old, 01-29-2007 15:33:21  
Old, I had something like that happen on an 88 F-150 one time. One of the buffer springs in the clutch disk fell out and got stuck inside the pressure plate, not allowing it to release. Of course this had to happen to me the day I was headed home on leave.....

Good Luck,

Bob



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504-1

01-29-2007 18:45:47




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 Re: Need some good Guesses. O/T by the way in reply to Bob in Butler, 01-29-2007 17:10:40  
OLD, I had a Freightliner do that once,it push the center out of the clutch plate. Langley S.C. to Hannibal MO with no clutch.



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