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Substitue for calcium chloride

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Bob Nelson

01-16-2007 13:03:58




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Is anyone aware of a non-corrosive substitue for calcium chloride in tractor tires? Obvious is plain water but it freezes. RV anti-freeze? Other products?




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Kelly Campbell

01-16-2007 19:05:31




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
Here's a pretty good alternitive



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Oldmax

01-16-2007 18:04:53




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
You might try Proplene Glycol or RV Anti-Freze ,
the dealer loaded mine with Ethylene Glycol tractor is 11 years old and so far no problems . But it is very toxic to animals & I would not use it again . I only use my tractor to keep a farm mowed that has no livestock on it .



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Bus Driver

01-16-2007 17:04:49




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
This might be interesting.



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kyhayman

01-16-2007 16:56:49




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
I've always just used the plain old CaCl and water. Just wash it off if you have a leak. As long as it stays inside the tube there isnt a problem with it. My oldest tractor is 30 years old, had it in it since it was new. Last fall with a blowout I checked the rim out on the inside before mounting another. Hardly any corrosion, even after 10-15 flats over its life. If it lasts another 30 years, it will last longer than I need a tractor.

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Kentucky Ed

01-16-2007 15:33:29




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
My local Ace Hdwe store sold me 100 gal of windshield fluid I added to my new NH tires for 90 cents per gallon, and an electric drill pump for $30.00 I used to fill them with. It worked very well for me.



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BigMarv1085

01-16-2007 15:24:31




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
Has anyone tried a local airport. The deicing fluid that they use for ice removal or prevention on small airplanes contains ethyl glycol which contains anti freeze.



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Cliff Neubauer

01-16-2007 15:07:56




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
third party image

Here's what I have for our 2wd loader tractor. Part of a 4 row cultivator frame and the weight bracket off our 706 plus an afternoon in the shop but it works great.



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HaySam

01-16-2007 14:40:31




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
CAST Iron



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Luke S

01-16-2007 14:39:50




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
My loader tractor has had washer fluid in the rears for about the past five years and it is worked good for me.



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Allan In NE

01-16-2007 14:23:58




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
A good set of tires and tubes. Calcium chloride is not corrosive to either.

Allan



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dan hill

01-17-2007 02:12:50




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Allan In NE, 01-16-2007 14:23:58  
It always seeps out and tire valves are eaten up by it.Friend has a tire that needs air and valve is stuck on a loaded tire.Hawthorne bushes have a thorn that will punch a tire just enough to cause a tiny leak.



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Gerald J.

01-16-2007 14:20:37




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
Cast iron weights.

Home made concrete weights.

Windshield washer fluid.

Rim Guard, made from beet juice in Michigan. Costs several times what windshield washer fluid or CaCl costs.

Gerald J.



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Lumpy

01-16-2007 14:17:05




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
I have heard of a product called rim gaurd that weighs the same as calcium, costs a little more but doesn't rust out the rims. I also heard of some tires shops using beat juice. I have personally used the windshield washer fluid. It doesn't have the pound for pound weight but, It costs ALOT less and doesn't rot away rims.



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Lou

01-16-2007 13:34:31




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
Im getting ready to load one with window washing solution this weekend, but I never did it befor.



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docketfish

01-16-2007 13:33:28




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
use Windsheild washer fluid. The local tire shop and tractor dealer put it in all the time. I just bought some for one tire and it was $75.00 for 50 gallon.

good luck!



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billyar

01-16-2007 13:32:44




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bob Nelson, 01-16-2007 13:03:58  
methanol



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Joe in MN

01-16-2007 13:44:13




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to billyar, 01-16-2007 13:32:44  
BAD CHOICE !!!! Methanol ( wood alcohol ) one small leak and Spark --- it's Burn up time.....



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Bus Driver

01-16-2007 14:53:26




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Joe in MN, 01-16-2007 13:44:13  
Methanol is an accepted antifreeze for tire ballasting. The vapors would have to be properly concentrated to be ignited by a spark. Those who have run engines on any type alcohol will testify to the problems of getting them started. Some added gasoline is usually required. The danger is very minimal.



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135 Fan

01-16-2007 16:00:13




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bus Driver, 01-16-2007 14:53:26  
I know a guy who was badly burned in a methanol fire because of a leak. He was just trying out a sprint car on fun day. He was wearing a triple layer fire suit.The biggest problem with a methanol fire is that you can't see it! Maybe if it's mixed with water it's safer but I wouldn't use it. Calcium chloride is heavier and won't leak on new valve stems. If you have a problem with punctures, I'd use weights instead of filling the tires. Dave

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Bus Driver

01-16-2007 16:40:22




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to 135 Fan, 01-16-2007 16:00:13  
I do agree about the danger from methanol used as fuel. But as antifreeze in a tire, the solution is perhaps 5% methanol. How much fire could one get if the tire leaked a couple of ounces of such fluid?



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las vegas

01-16-2007 16:47:56




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bus Driver, 01-16-2007 16:40:22  
The mix that bus driver is talking about is ETHYLENE GLYCOL... the main mix for antifreeze. I get it from a farmer. (it's colorless antifreeze, really) Much cheaper than whole antifreeze.

I can't believe no one has mentioned ethylene glycol. it has methanol in it, but is hardly flammable.



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Bus Driver

01-16-2007 17:01:10




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to las vegas, 01-16-2007 16:47:56  
No, my tires are ballasted with methanol as the antifreeze additive. No doubt about it. Quotes from the Intertnet: "Pure methanol has been used in open wheel racing since the mid-1960s. Unlike petroleum fires, methanol fires can be extinguished with plain water (while methanol is less dense than water, they are miscible, and the addition of water will cause the fire to use its heat to boil the water)." "Methanol is used on a limited basis to fuel internal combustion engines, mainly by virtue of the fact that it is not nearly as flammable as gasoline. Methanol blends are the fuel of choice in open wheel racing circuits like Champcars, as well as in radio controlled model airplanes (required in the "glow-plug" engines that primarily power them)".

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The Preachert

01-16-2007 18:44:21




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to Bus Driver, 01-16-2007 17:01:10  
The dealership that I worked at used Methanol to load tires. We mixed it 20% methanol and 80% water. This makes it non-flammable, but still remains liquid down to -20 degrees. The only danger is in pumping the pure methanol into the tire. You have to be careful about what kind of pump you use. We would use a chart to determine total gallons, do the math, add the methanol first, then fill with water.

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iowa_tire_guy

01-16-2007 19:26:29




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to The Preachert, 01-16-2007 18:44:21  
Where do you get Methanol?



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The Preacher

01-16-2007 20:29:04




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 Re: Substitue for calcium chloride in reply to iowa_tire_guy, 01-16-2007 19:26:29  
You can buy it in a 55 gallon drum from most fuel co-ops. We got it from southern states.



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