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Dave from MN

01-13-2007 07:50:20




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I am having a heck of a time finding a decent ( not wore out) ih tractor in the 70-100 hp range. I cant afford a deere, I cant find a massey 1085 or 1105 for the right price that isnt in need of a complete overhaul, so I am now looking at getting a 7020 Allis, most that seem to be lower houred and well cared for are in the $5000-$7500 range. Which to me seems pretty resonable, so could some explain this power director transmission to me? Also how are the cabs in them when being used, stay warm in winter? Cool in summer? Loud Quite? Starting up in a lot doesnt really give me an idea of working it conditions and I have really come to respect most of the peoples advice on this board.

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wilman

01-13-2007 18:15:29




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 Re: Allis tractor ? in reply to Dave from MN, 01-13-2007 07:50:20  
Dave, you need to go ask over on the unofficial allis board and find someone who has actually driven a 7020. We had a 7000 tractor that was an excellent tractor. But that tractor had a different type of transmission in it than the 7020 from what I know and the 7020's also had a different transmission in it than the old 190's and 200's. Since I don't have any experience with the 7020 transmission, I can't say and won't say how it worked because I don't know. I am thinking that it would have independant PTO. The 7000 we had had a 4 speed gear selector and than a 3 speed power shifter that gave you 3 speeds in each gear and had independant pto. The airconditioning kept us cool in the summer and the heater kept us warm in the winter and the cab was quiet. According to Norm Swinford's book, the accustics of the 7000 series tractors were "record setting" and the lowest in the industry at that time.

Wil

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sammyd

01-13-2007 13:50:56




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 Re: Allis tractor ? in reply to Dave from MN, 01-13-2007 07:50:20  
I spent a summer driving a 7030 and it was a pretty decent tractor, cab seemd comfortable enough.
I don't know about lack of dealer support, have 2 within 50 miles where I'm at, both are big ag dealers not lawnmower sellers.



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CentOH Hay

01-13-2007 09:22:06




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 Re: Allis tractor ? in reply to Dave from MN, 01-13-2007 07:50:20  
The power director transmission operates similarly to a TA on an IH, only with a couple more twists. Thinking of an eloquent way to describe its operation isn't easy so bear with me. Like a TA the power director (PD) doubles the number of speeds available, allowing you to move from low to high on the go (nice for headlands, tough spots, etc). That being said, don't dilly dally going from low to high, if you have a load you will lose momentum, and its just like slipping the clutch....bad. Unlike most IH tractors with TA's a PD tractor does not have a true Indepenant PTO, its live, but not independant. With the PTO engaged the foot clutch will stop the PTO, so if you are using a baler for example where live PTO is important, movement needs to be controlled with the PD clutch (hand clutch). For some people this is a real problem for others it is not, it just takes some getting used to. Like a TA, the durability of the whole system is entirely up to the operator. One thing to consider, the main part of the transmission on these tractors is what we call unsyncronized constant mesh, whereas on an IH its just unsyncronized. This means you can't go trying to change gears while still rolling or untill the gears have completely stopped. This is where the stories of jumping out of gear on the 190XT's comes in. I believe on the 7000 series they installed a transmission brake to get things stopped quicker, in any case, its not a crash box tranny so be gentle.

As for the cabs, what little experience I have was in a tractor where the AC didn't work so I can't help you there. I can say that rear visibility is pretty good (can see the drawbar without craning your neck). However, I hope you aren't much over 6 foot tall or you will be hitting your head a lot, as the sides of the cab come in as you get to the top.

I believe the 7020 had the 301 diesel (someone correct me if Im wrong). This is a great engine, runs smooth as a top, doesn't use much fuel at all, etc. The one drawback is it can be a dog to start in cold weather.

Clear as mud? I appologize if that doesn't read very clearly.

Alex

Disclaimer: Most of my experience on Allis' comes via 190XT's and 200's so there will be some differences in operation but generally the terms should still apply.

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Hurst

01-13-2007 18:20:08




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 Re: Allis tractor ? in reply to CentOH Hay, 01-13-2007 09:22:06  
The powerdirector transmission in the 7000 and 8000 series has a true independent PTO. It operates differently from the hundred series. The foot clutch on a powerdirector 7000 series will actually automatically shift it back to the low side of the power director and uses that clutch pack as the inching clutch pack. There is not dry clutch except for the torque limitor on the engine flywheel that is for everything back of the motor (it's a big slip clutch). The 7020 is a very overbuilt tractor for its horse power. It uses an intercooled and turbocharged 301 cubic inch diesel, which puts out about the most power per the cubic inch from the factory of any engine I have heard of in a tractor of its age. The engines are not the best for starting cold, but just plug them up for about 30 minutes before and they will fire up pretty easily if it is about 30 or 40. When it is above 50 or 60, they can fire up without the heater reasonably well. They are just a little cold blooded, but once started they are a beast. I wish I could have found a nice 7020 for under 7500. I ended up having to buy a 7000 black belly, which is not quite the tractor the 7020 is, but is good enough for my needs. You may also try www (dot) allischalmers (dot) com and ask those guys. There are a few ex allis employees over that that can tell you everything you might ever want to know about an allis tractor. They have been a great help with my 7000 black belly. Good luck!

Hurst

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massey333

01-13-2007 10:02:23




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 Re: Allis tractor ? in reply to CentOH Hay, 01-13-2007 09:22:06  
Glad you put that disclaimer on there,The PD trans can be either a 16 or 20 speed trans..The PD on the go shift is as good as or better than others(THERE IS NO LAG IN THE SHIFT)it is the same shift idea as Deere, Case,Oliver,Etc..The main trans.shifting is the worst part,(it is good but not easy(Non Syncro),the cab is maybe the smallest but it was one of the best at the time (Quiet,air-heat was good)The tractor for the HP is probely the Best Buy out there.The BIGGEST PROBLEM is the lack of dealer Support now days.

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CentOH Hay

01-13-2007 11:44:33




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 Re: Allis tractor ? in reply to massey333, 01-13-2007 10:02:23  
I felt compelled to put the disclaimer in there as soon as I remembered the greater number of speeds the 7020 had.

I contend that while Allis as a whole may have had numerous problems, if they would have synchronized the tranny from the 1XX series on up they would have found at least a momentary silver bullet. A syncronized 200 pitted against any other competition of the time would have won hands down in every category; weight to power ratio, ease of operation, efficiency, you name it.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda I guess.

Just waiting for the 8000"s to fall into my price range.

Alex

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massey333

01-13-2007 13:29:53




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 Re: Allis tractor ? in reply to CentOH Hay, 01-13-2007 11:44:33  
If A-C would have put a true LPTO in the 190-200 seris and improved the Trans.shifting,they would have had the world by the tail,but you get some Desk Jockey with power and they kill everything.I don't know or care what your price range is BUT an 8010 PS is or should be a perfect 110-120 HP tractor IF(I said) IF you can ever find one.



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