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Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD

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Robert Searcy

01-10-2007 10:18:20




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What is the difference between these two options. Is one better than the other and should one be more expensive to purchase used. Is one more prone to problems with age on it? Either of them more reliable?

What would you all prefer?




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Mike M

01-11-2007 04:45:23




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 Re: Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-10-2007 10:18:20  
Alot of GOOD comments about the power shift. And it is a good tranny and has it's place,just not very good at my place. Let me tell you my dislikes.

I use loaders on my tractors and do alot of short trips,small jobs,and running around getting on and off hooking up chains lifting things and moving them around. Snow removal too. NO field work. I do not like the power loss and drag of the power shift if you ran one long enough at one time to warm it up it should be fine. The biggest DISLIKE is the park setup it does not work good on hills. Sometimes they won't latch in tight going one direction as the park pawl is tapered and the force pushes it out.You also have a very hard time getting them out of park too. The syncro range has a very good park as I think a collar locks the shafts up tight both ways and getting it out of park on a hill is a breeze as the linkage is spring loaded so you can put it in low 1st or rev and ease the pressure off the gears and the park will pop right out for you. So if you require getting on and off the tractor parked on slopes or hills get a syncro range.

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sodly

01-10-2007 15:37:29




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 Re: Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-10-2007 10:18:20  
I guess I"m more of the opposite opinion. I prefer the synchro for a chore tractor. Granted, I don"t have a lot of experience with both, but from my PS experience I think it would be a pain to constantly run the lever back and forth around that J pattern to shuttle between forward and reverse (and try to hit the same gears on each return shift). Whereas in a synchro you simply pull the lever back and forth to shuttle within a range, correct? Of course, your ratios are more limited with a synchro. And the "inching pedal" on a PS isn"t really anything like a clutch pedal. As I recall it doesn"t have any feel whatsoever. It"s just a plain hydraulic dump pedal like an on/off switch. I think it would be hard to do work in close quarters where you need to back up to exact points, etc. With a true clutch you can feather it to get to a precise spot. For instance, if you backing up to a wall with a blade or pulling up to a wall with a loader. Now for field work out in the wide open, I think you probably can"t beat a PS.

Or do people with a PS just hit the dump pedal as they approach where they"re stopping and coast the last bit of the way? Then shift to reverse and let out the pedal (all the while running the throttle with the foot throttle)? Maybe that works best. I"m not sure.

I"m curious to hear other"s impressions. I"ve been wondering about this myself.

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BLinWMi

01-10-2007 17:25:55




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 Re: Power Shift clutch is awesome in reply to sodly, 01-10-2007 15:37:29  
You must not have spent much time on a 30 or 4020 with power shift. The clutch pedal on these tractors is every bit as responsive as a mechanical clutch on the synchro range. I farmed with 4 of these tractors with PS and a 5020 with SR. The PS is the only way to go, it was a plain mistake that Deere never had PS on the 5020 or 6030. There was nothing that the 3020 PS was not good at. We had no quick hitches so backing up to hook up anything on the 3 point required backing up to implements with exact closeness. I do agree that the shift smoothness with ps could have been a little better, on my tractors the only big jump is from 7 to 8. I have seen guys do as another person said, set the throttle at full and just shift up thru the gears. Doing this made some of the shifts severe, but it doesn't take much common sense to figure out that ya just keep it about 1,500 R's till ya get in 8th gear, then bump up the throttle to full from there. P.S. if I ever get the chance I will have to post the pic my family has of a 3020 that my grandpa demoed from the Deere dealer in Montague years ago. His big tractors at the time were a 60 and 70, so the dealer hauled out a 3020 PS for him to try out. We have a black and white of the 3020 hood ornament looking straight towards heaven. He got to the end of the field north of the barn, pulling a 3 bottom trailer plow and evidently forgot the clutch was on the floor of this tractor. The front end rolled up the road side till grandpa finally figured out how to stop it, at the point the tractor was setting on the 3 point. He got lucky because just at that minute the milk truck drove by and offered to pull the front end back down. Not sure how grandpa bribed the milk man to keep quite but we understand the dealer never found out about it, and 10 days later grandpa bought a 3020 from another dealer.

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sodly

01-11-2007 11:38:29




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 Re: Power Shift clutch is awesome in reply to BLinWMi, 01-10-2007 17:25:55  
So, can you come to a complete stop with a PS in gear and the clutch/dump pedal out? I thought you had to step on the pedal when coming to a stop... or am I confuesd? There is no actual "clutch", per se, correct?



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JMS/MN

01-10-2007 16:07:30




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 Re: Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD in reply to sodly, 01-10-2007 15:37:29  
You don't simply pull a lever back and forth with a synchro- in the ranges that HAVE a reverse. There is a side to side pattern to follow as well as up and down. My son has 3 synchro tractors so I have the miserable experience of driving them occasionally. With a loader? No fun at all. Reversing a PS into the right gears is no problem- simple straight line J pattern- 8 up the right side, 4 up the left. Granted, going 3-4 and either 6-7 or 7-8 is a bit of a jump, but just feather the clutch. It is not an on/off clutch at all. Shift speed is also adjustable. Clutch definitely does have 'feel'. As far as foot pedal throttle- I wish the 30-40-50 series had that. Extremely handy.

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Gerald J.

01-11-2007 08:31:37




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 Re: Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD in reply to JMS/MN, 01-10-2007 16:07:30  
Seems like I DO pull and shove back and forth without changing ranges so much. If I'm in a hurry I use the second range and shuffle between reverse and 5th, or not in so much hurry I shuffle between reverse and 3rd.

Yes changing from 5th to fourth is a stop, change ranges, then go again. Something to do when plowing gets to damp ground.

That can be one advantage to the 4020 SR. Only those familiar with it can get it into gear to run away with it. Everyone else can't figure the gear shifter out.

Gerald J.

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Robert Searcy

01-10-2007 12:39:59




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 Re: Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-10-2007 10:18:20  
Thanks a gazillion guys, sounds like the PS is what i would want, i would be using for a loader tractor and moving/loading-unloading bales.

I can spare a few ponies for some convenience!!!



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Gerald J.

01-10-2007 11:13:32




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 Re: Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-10-2007 10:18:20  
The options that I know are Power Shift and Synchro Range.

Power shift is a planetary transmission hydraulically shifted. I has a "clutch" pedal for inching, but that's just a valve to the hydraulics. It has a hand lever to disconnect the engine from the transmission. Its a tough transmission, hard to break but very expensive to fix. Its picky about clean and cool oil. It and the brakes are picky about the oil meeting Deere specifications.

SynchroRange has the effect of a 2 speed plus reverse synchronized transmission behind a 4 speed gear slider transmission. Though its all done on three parallel shafts. Its also a tough transmission. Learning to shift it takes a couple minutes, some never figure it out, but it works for me on my 4020.

Either transmission is rapidly destroyed by towing the tractor without shifting the transmission to the tow position or using the towing disconnect lever. Its easy to get the top shaft spinning thousands of RPM without running the pump to keep it oiled and gears tend to weld to the shaft under those conditions.

If either transmission isn't too noisy and doesn't slip out of gear (SR, often caused by worn external linkage), it will run years with an occasional dose of fresh oil. Both are good transmissions, the PS is a little easier to use.

My neighbor farmed here 30 years with Deere PS tractors. Never had to have a transmission worked on. Many days, I'd hear him leave the field at lunch time with a cultivator on the back. He'd set the throttle for full speed and work his way up the gears on the PS. If I went out and looked at his tracks, there'd be a divot in the gravel of his tracks where he made each shift. So maybe the shifts weren't perfectly smooth, but it made them all the years he wanted them made. He did have several tractors in that time, all green, all with PS.

Gerald J.

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JMS/MN

01-10-2007 11:11:28




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 Re: Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-10-2007 10:18:20  
Do mean Power Shift vs. Synchro-Range? PS lasts longer, takes a few HP, costs more to repair. SR puts a bit more power to the ground, but it's a personal thing as to liking them. I don't. PS has a simple shift pattern, easy for a novice to handle. Can skip gears if you want. Makes for a great loader tractor setup, as well as field tractor. I would never buy the SR, Quad-Range on the newer series is not bad, but I still prefer the PS. Out of 5 PS over 33 years, only one that needed repairs was a jockey tractor with maybe 3x the hours that the hr meter showed. Other three I have now have over 28000 hours between them.

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Farmall Mann

01-11-2007 05:19:22




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 Re: Power Shift or Shuttle Shift on 3020 JD in reply to JMS/MN, 01-10-2007 11:11:28  
Power Shift Ten Foot Tall & Bullit Proof. FM



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