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Pertronix conversion and plug wires

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RJW

01-07-2007 14:42:01




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I installed a Pertronix pointless ignition kit in my Ferguson TO20. Somewhere I read that the Pertronix conversion required the use of "automobile style" plug wires that are not copper core. I can't seem to find where I read this now. Anyone know about this? Maybe I misunderstood what I read.




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RJW

01-08-2007 11:01:28




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 14:42:01  
OK. Great info here. Thanks guys. I'll take the advice to ask Pertronix and get there recomendation. I do remember the source that I read (wherever I read it) did use bold print saying NOT to use copper core but to use "automotive style" wires so there must be something to it, at least from his perspective. I'll get ahold of Pertronix and see what the scoop is and then I'll post my findings.



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Jerry/MT

01-07-2007 19:37:22




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 14:42:01  
My instructions from Pertronix never mentioned any special wire requirements. I haveused the standard copper core plug wires and a copper core coil to distributor wire with no ill affects and easy starts and smooth idling.



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buickanddeere

01-07-2007 18:37:42




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 14:42:01  
All the resistor core wire required, if it is necassary to prevent a "dead short" or too low and impedance secondary circuit path. Is just a foot long length between the coil and the distributor. The rest of the wires should be solid core copper from the dist cap to the plugs. Or you can use "solid" inductive wires. Summit Racing sells generic sets with what ever ends required. No graphite wires to break down and go open. The wires are solid but wound in a spiral or spring shape down the legth of the cable. Works well enough to suppress AM radio noise too. They meausre just an ohm or two with an ohm meter.

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RJW

01-07-2007 19:42:24




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to buickanddeere, 01-07-2007 18:37:42  
Would I be correct in saying that the only thing at risk of failing here (if I continue to use my current copper core wires) is the plug wires only. I guess if that is the case then I won't worry. I just didn't want to run the risk of somehow destroying the conversion module or the high output coil.



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Allan In NE

01-08-2007 04:47:09




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 19:42:24  
RJ,

Use copper all the way around.

The electronic ignition is on the primary side and could give a fig less about what is going on over on the secondary side.

Allan



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John T

01-08-2007 06:28:15




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to Allan In NE, 01-08-2007 04:47:09  
Allan, Actually in the capacity that the ignition coil serves as a transformer having a primary thats inductively/magnetically coupled to a secondary, whats happening and what the load is over on the secondary side DOES INDEED AFFECT THE PRIMARY. If you apply voltage to a transformer that has an open unloaded secondary the current draw would be X amps HOWEVER as you load down that secondary and it supplies amps into a load the primary would draw more current. I.E. THE PRIMARY DOES CARE WHATS HAPPENING AT THE SECONDARY.

Those Pertronix high performance wires are spiral wound and use a carbon core. While they are still of relatively low (though more then straight regular coper core) DC resistance they have a certain inductive (coils of wire) impedance and can provide a certain degree of loading or ballasting over on the secondary when that fast rising high voltage spike occurs headed out to fire the usually wider gapped plugs. They have superior insulation quality versus standard ignition wires intended for use at lower operating voltages.

NOWWWWW WWW hey Im NOT saying pure straight non spiral copper core wires dont work and they indeed have less DC resistance and AC impedance ann could waste some small degree less energy as heat versis the Pertronic high perf wires ALL IM SAYING IS THAT if you consider the whole entire design of the entire Pertronix Ignition system, if they recommend the use of those wires to serve as some loading and ballasting (maybe call it cushioning) to dampen out the severe fast rising higher primary voltage n current THEY MAYYYYY YYYYY HAVE A REASON FOR DOING IT which is why I say ASK PERTRONIX for their recommendations on the best plug wires NOTTTTT TTTTT me or any of us other dudes THEY MAY INDEED HAVE ENGINEERING REASONS for using those spiral wound somewhat more resistive or inductive plug wires IN ADDITION to their superior insulating qualities.

Sure pure straight copper is fine n will work thats NOT the issue. To me the issue is ASK PERTRONIX cuz there may??? be sound engineerign reasosns for using their carbon core spiral wound wires????? ? even if any of us dont completely understand it, I SURE DONT but claim there may (or may not) be a good reason for doing so.

John T (NOT being argumentative just enjoy electricity and hoping we might alllll learn something here, lets go ask Pertronix lol)

Take care n God Bless yall

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Bob

01-07-2007 22:47:09




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 19:42:24  
NO chance of destroying "suppression" wires with a Pertronix, as they routinely withstand the power put out by factory HEI setups, which make Pertronix systems look pretty wimpy, by comparison.

Now what the little Pertronix module can, or cannot tolerate, THAT is another matter!



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Allan In NE

01-07-2007 16:49:16




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 14:42:01  
Naw, not even.

Allan



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John T

01-07-2007 16:29:41




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 14:42:01  
RJ, Those high voltage high energy ignitions are an exception to our standard rule of using copper core plug wires on those relatively low energy (especially magnetos) old tractor ignitions. In addition to operating often at higher voltages from running wider plug gaps which requires better plug wire insulation, I believe Pertronix (on some of its ignitions at least) requires some current limiting and resistive ballasting in the plug wires themselves which is achieved by the use of the carbon core conductors. I think thats more the reason they use them versus any radio or interference suppression problems, not sure, ask them !!!!

John T

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HAPPY DEERE

01-07-2007 15:20:15




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 14:42:01  
ye you have to changewires if your running on a copper core right now copper core will actually melt inside of it if you run it to long try your local little man auto shop



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oldart

01-07-2007 20:11:17




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to HAPPY DEERE, 01-07-2007 15:20:15  
id like to see some of that wire you say melted down they wont melt down in a fire only the insulation will be gone!!



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RJW

01-07-2007 15:46:24




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to HAPPY DEERE, 01-07-2007 15:20:15  
Thanks Happy Deere. I started thinking I was nuts.I went and looked at the instructions that came with the Pertronix conversion kit and the high performance coil thinking that maybe I read it there but did not find it there either. They mention nothing about it. I suppose "automotive type" wires are a carbon or graphite core and can stand the extra voltage the coil kicks out without failing.



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SMP

01-07-2007 17:21:43




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 Re: Pertronix conversion and plug wires in reply to RJW, 01-07-2007 15:46:24  
I've got copper core wires in my pulling SM , no problems for 8 years now.



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