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Robert Searcy

01-06-2007 21:26:36




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I am looking to purchase a used tractor. I am looking at the Farmall 400/450 Gas, Farmall 560 Diesel, D17 and D19 Allis gassers. A JD 620 or 630 as well.

I mainly us a tractor for a 7" brush hog, blading, moving large bales of hay and possibly will install a loader. I have driven all but a D19 and the 620/630.

I liked the two speed of the D17 and the power only it seemed light on traction. I liked the 560 other than seemed a little taller and harder to get on the seat, getting off/on. I grew up on a 400 and it was okay as well. It did not have live power though, the power steering was poor. Could you give advice on reliability of these in comparison? I know the 560D have head gasket issues and can be hard starting. I have heard the allis will leak hydraulics in the belly or something and jump out of gear as they age? Any noteables on any of them as far as good vs bad. One of thems power steering vs the other. How about the hydraulics and such? Anything noteable there? How about brakes? ever I buy will be a wide front.

Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions.

I own an old 1944 JD A Slant Dash that is a family heirloom but is has no live power and is a little lacking on power too, front end is light for bales and no power steering.

Robert

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Brad Wright of MO

01-07-2007 17:17:23




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
Im not real sure about the others but i have worked on a D-19 for a few years now. It is a cheap tractor for the horsepower. Also the high-low lever is a plus i think. We used it for loader work and a little brushogging pretty good tractor. But if your looking to keep down on fuel costs dont get a gas. As for the jumping out of gear thing it was a weak point on the 60's and early 70's tractors. But its never happened to any of our 3 AC tractors. Lots of people complain about the transmisssion but you dont hear them complaing about them engines do ya?

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Robert Searcy

01-07-2007 12:09:22




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
Thanks for your input everyone.

I have 3 to 5K to spend. I kind of like the lower profile of the D Series Allis and maybe a Kubota or JD newer series but I dont think I could get into one of those for that kind of money. Possibly a Ford/New Holland or Cash IH but they are just more money I imagine than I can afford.

I appreciate the candid ideas on what to get, good point on the handclutch on the JDs I never thot about that.

The bales I handle are usually 1500 to 2000 max. Depends on the guys I get them from.

I would definately get something with a three point or adapter if its a two point IH or Snap Coupler Allis. Anyway, if you guys think of any other good points, let me know. I am going to an Auction next week on a 560D.

I have driven it, it has the newer 656 type square fenders, the T/A still works, Power Steering is good, has a hydraulic leak under the seat, might be some o-ring. It has a cylinder that misses for about 5 minutes until it gets warm then it chimes right in and runs excellent. It might be a glow plug or lazy injector, any ideas on that?

The clutch seems good, the brakes are excellent on both wheels. There does seem to be some play in the wide front, I ran it in road gear down the blacktop and it wandered a lot.

IT has about 5000 hours but supposedly has had head work done, exactly what I do not know. Tires are 15.5 x 38s. They are shot, they would make excellent pulling tires, they are really worn down evenly. It has external mounted dual batteries. ITs in pretty good shape as far as metal goes. Has two point with 3 point conversion kit on it. I have spotted a D17 and D19 as well. Hard to know what to bid on or buy.

How are D19s compared to a 560. Hydraulics, power, reliability, inherient problems with age or design??

Any other things I may have overlooked or you all might suggest??

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The Dukester

01-07-2007 11:06:47




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
I think a Farmall 450 gas with fasthitch, spinout rear wheels and power steering should be your best buy for the money, especially seeing as you already have experience on this type of tractor. As you probably already know the narrow front isn't the dangerous thing it's thought of by many...the spacing of the rear wheels is much more critical to the stability of the tractor...if it has a wide front...fine, but it isn't all that important. Super MTA's are generally overpriced and 460's and 560's are bigger and much more expensive to run and kinda clumsy...not too bad of tractors though.

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Bill(Wis)

01-07-2007 10:14:55




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
A D19 will be the best tractor for the money if you can find one. They're usually priced about the same as a D17 and are a lot more tractor. Most have factory 3 pt. Most D17's do not. I'll bet you could find a good one for about $3000. Let us know what you decide on.



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Walt Davies

01-07-2007 09:17:28




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
For a tractor that you are going to use as daily work horse I would look into a newer tractor. Parts are more readily available and you won't be getting one with an unknown amount of hours.
I use two small Kabotas L series you can find these with low hours and lots of attachments for not to much.
My L285 with 30 HP will move the 1800 lb bails with a spear on the 3 point. My other one is newer L series with 18 HP and it and 4 wheel drive will also handle the large bails although I would prefer a slightly bigger tractor. I would think something in the 40 to 50 HP range would be a lot better. But I have what I have and they do a good job for there size. It all depends a lot on what you have to invest in them. Most tractors are pretty good and will give you a lot of service if taken care of correctly. Head gasket problems are almost always due to not letting the engine cool down before shutting it off. Early diesels are all prone to this.
Walt

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Jay in MN

01-07-2007 09:16:26




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
I have friend with a feedlot and all they use is 560D's, to feed, haul bales, stack bales (large round). Biggest down fall is COLD blooded tractors.



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jhill52

01-07-2007 07:02:14




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
In the Allis line a D-17 would be good. Get the later one with a 3 pt. A D-19 might be a little big. A 175 or 180-185 would work really well. A little newer so fewer problems.


Jerry



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Dave from MN

01-07-2007 06:38:44




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
I would go with a 460-560 IH, they are reliable solid tractors and parts should be easy to get. I am not sure on the lifting of round bales, how big of bales?, ya will have to make sure you get a 3pt if you need a rear spear. I personally also think for your needs a massey 265-285 would fit nice, lower profile, solid, a bit newer. I really do not think you should get a JD with the hand clutch,I drove em since I was about 10 along with IH, foot cluches make chores alot more efficient

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Mike M

01-07-2007 05:28:04




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
I don't know too much about those other models but the JD 620-630 are good machines,but are pretty old and subject to lots of abuse so they may need more attention unless you find a real good one. Not too handy for a loader though. For what I've seen people wanting for those you might just look into something newer like a JD 1020,2020,1530 or their industrial models like 300,400 these are great little loader tractors. I didn't see any Fords on your list ? alot of people like them something like a 3000 or 4000 maybe ?

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fsds

01-06-2007 23:37:16




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 Re: Advice On Tractors in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-06-2007 21:26:36  
john deere's handclutches are mighty awkward with a loader.



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