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Tim Shultz

12-29-2006 14:49:45




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I just went though a junkyard today... to find my next money pit.. and it has come down to choosing either a 73' charger, or a datsun Z.. and I guess they are made by nissan.. I had never seen one before this, but they look a LOT like a corvette.. just a bit smaller.. and my dad said they where one of the best cars back in the day.. now a charger would be pretty cool, but I think it would cost me quite a bit more, and is more then rough.. while the Z only needs a bit of TLC.. and could be bought for less.. and my dad seems to think parts would be a lot cheaper for the nissan then the dodge.. and, one thing I really like was that on the Z, the speedo go's all the way to a buck sixty.. :D
sorry for the long post.. but what would you do?
and money is kinda tight.. Tim Shultz

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Formerly PaMike

12-30-2006 16:34:17




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
We have a Z car in the barn still. They are a fun car. They handle the corners well, and the 6 cylinder has some decent power.



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big jt

12-29-2006 22:42:41




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
I would pick the Charger. they are worth something when nicely done. Contrary to some comments they will come a lot closer to returning your money than a PROPERLY restored tractor.

Never done any autos but have done enough tractors to know the time and money involved won't even dream of paying back if sold. Cars there is a chance.

If it is something you want to keep get what you want.

As mentioned earlier check the Subframe on the Z. Had a friend in college that had a rusty 260. Was a fun car to drive but his was starting to have the rust issues with the front subframes and that becomes a safety issue.

JM2CW Your milage may vary.

jt

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Thack

12-29-2006 18:39:34




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
Get the Charger;
1. You will be able to get some of the money you spend on it back.
2. Buy an American car and fix it up with American parts.



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Hal/WA

12-29-2006 17:29:43




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
If you want to build a "relatively" inexpensive hot rod, the Z car might be a good place to start. A Chevy small block fits fairly easily and is about the cheapest engine to rebuild out there. I would use an automatic transmission, partly because an auto is easier on the independant rear suspension components and also because it is easier than messing with clutch linkage or a hydraulic clutch. The rear end is stronger in a 280Z than the earlier ones, but a 240 or 260 rear might be OK unless you put too much tire on the ground or have too powerful an engine. The resulting car will be very quick and fast. But if your area has emission inspection, you should find out if the car itself is old enough to avoid inspection, which it probably could never pass.

Rebuilding the Datsun 6 cylinder should be very straight forward, and I would expect mechanical parts to be fairly easy to get. The early 240Z had carbs that worked better and were much easier to tune than the ones on a 260Z, which were a PITA. I think all 280Z's were fuel injected, but that is really taxing my memory banks. I would guess that a bad automatic transmission would be expensive to rebuild and that putting in a rebuilt Chevy V8 would be cheaper than rebuilding a stock Datsun 6.

A friend of mine had a 240Z when they were new. It was fairly fast and handled like a true sports car. But no competition to the Corvettes, at least in performance! My friend drove his Z to college for a couple of years and then claimed that he sold it for more than a thousand dollars more than he originally paid for it. They were really nice cars, but most only had 2 seats, which could be a real disadvantage if you need to haul more than one passenger. It was not fun to ride very far in the rear cargo area!

Rust is the enemy with any old vehicle. Both the Z car and the Charger are of unibody construction, so all of the structure has to be there and be in good shape. My guess is that there are more sheet metal parts available for the Charger than the Z, but I haven't really researched either.

The Charger could have originally come with almost any Chrysler engine. I don't think I have ever seen a slant 6 in one that new, but lots of them had 318's. But virtually any Chrysler engine will fit with factory parts. And the Chrysler engines are very easy to find, and while not as cheap to rebuild as a Chevy small block, they are not expensive to build. The bigger engines will put out lots of horsepower. Those cars accellerated very well, but handled only OK as compared with modern cars. If you decide on the Charger, I recommend Mopar Action magazine--in my opinion, the best of that group.

The Charger was a very large car that was fairly heavy and my experience with the B bodies was that they didn't get very good mileage, even with a stock 318. But they did look neat and if fixed up nice are selling for incredible prices, at least for the muscle cars.

Good luck, both cars sound like great projects. But watch out for extensive rust--it could give you more headaches than you ever want to deal with!

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rodgernbama

12-29-2006 17:26:18




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
I'm partial to Mopars so I'd go for the Charger. To bad it's not a 68. I owned one many moon's ago. Sweet car, had the 440 cu. in. engine.



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old

12-29-2006 16:30:48




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
Which Z is it?? They made a 240 a 260 and a 280 Z and out of all of them the 240 was the first and the best. Common problem with them was rust on the front end frame area and if it has that problem its junk and almost can't be fixed. Now as far as datsun and nissian they are/where one in the same company they just dropped the datsun thing years ago to get a freash start in the U.S. I have owned many a Datsun/nissian ove the years and they are good cars and I still have one or 2 of them in my junk yard. I still have a B210 that when I parked it out back still ran but needs some head work because the rocker arm hole down bolt holes are stripped out. The Z will also give a charger a run for its money in the 1/4 mile and do it for half the gas $$. Can't tell I'm been round them can you LOL

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

12-29-2006 16:16:36




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
The Z would be a good project. Just watch the rust. For parts, Google JDM Auto Parts and see what is available. The market for Japanese Domestic Market parts is booming in Canada. "Clips" are the front ends of cars cut off behind the transmission. The whole thing is available with about 30 thousand miles on it, usually, for around $3500. Excellent value if you can match the market to your needs.

Tuners (today's hot rodders) generally work on newer cars, but I'm sure a well-restored Z would still get a lot of respect from the rice-racer set.

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kyhayman

12-29-2006 15:26:03




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
I'd avoid them both, go for a tractor and try to turn a profit on it. With that said, I had the itch for Mopar muscle cars in the 80's when I was a teenager. Hard to beat Chargers, R/T's, Super Bees, etc. I rolled 3 of them, one end over end and burned one. All acting like a kid street racing. Walked away from everything without a scratch except the fire, I lost the hair on my right arm reaching for a cassette tape (dumb move) after I had got it stopped and got out.

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MarkB_MI

12-29-2006 15:19:20




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
Sounds to me like the Z-car would be a better choice. Demand for 70's muscle cars means that you'll pay a premium for the Charger, even though it's in bad shape. I don't think parts will be a huge problem for the Z; they are popular enough to have good aftermarket support. Of the various Z-cars, the 240Z is probably the best choice, as it is carbureted and as long as you don't mess around with the carbs (there are three) and get them out of sync you shouldn't have any problems you can't fix yourself.

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Mike M

12-29-2006 15:16:38




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
I'd forget about both of them and get a tractor,perferably a JD 2cyl.



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Yugrotcart

12-29-2006 15:11:10




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
Tim,
The Datsun Z is a neat car. Back in the mid '70's as a teenager I worked for a fellow that owned one. I used to borrow it and loved it as it was a real chic magnet. As the others say though, good luck getting parts for it, next to impossible. You can buy pretty much anything you would ever need for the charges without any trouble.

Paul



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Fluggie In IA

12-29-2006 15:10:41




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
I agree! stay away from the Z unless you have more money than you know what to do with. Even then, they don't end up with the saleability of a Charger. Even the Charger, unless it is in the 60's, doesn't have the value!



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JT

12-29-2006 15:04:18




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
Tim, I think you will find the Datsun will be an expensive toy to have. Japanese parts are not cheap, and a lot of times, unless you find a source for aftermarket parts, like Rusty said, the Japanese have a habit of after 10-15 years parts are no longer available.



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RustyFarmall

12-29-2006 14:58:04




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to Tim Shultz, 12-29-2006 14:49:45  
I've got to disagree with your dad, that Datsun Z will be almost impossible to find parts for. The Japanese had a very bad habit of changing parts and specs. anytime they thought they had found something better. Often times the car would be less than a year old and the part needed was already obsolete. For what it's worth, I've never been real fond of the '73 Chargers either. Just never liked the looks of 'em.

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Rod Wilson

12-29-2006 15:08:30




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 Re: what would you pick? in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-29-2006 14:58:04  
That is completely false about the Z. There are bone yards everywhere down south. They didn't change that model much at all. The 240, 260, and 280 were very similiar with the same drive train. The 240 was a hoss. It was one of the fastest production cars to ever come out of Japan and the fastest of all the Z's. I outran almost everything I came across with mine. It was a 73. I even walked off from a 300 Z. My 240 had a turbo exhaust system which made it sound like it was even faster. I think you need to buy both. You can't go wrong with either. There are still after market parts available for both.

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