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RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , anyb

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NC Wayne

12-19-2006 19:17:47




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Hey guys, ya'll both responded to my message the other day about LE oils and greases. As to the question, "Am I a distrubitor or whatever?" the answer is NO. In fact our local distrbuitor would love for dad and I be a middle man for him and actually help sell the products but we refused simply for the reason implied. Like DavisinSC said we're just a small heavy equipment repair company (just me and dad)and we pride ourselves in being honest with our customers and helping them out anyway we can. The way we look at it if we sell, we stand to profit and our opinion of the products would always be in question and we don't want that. Because we try to do our customers right and be honest with them and help them maximize their machine life whenever possible we stay covered in work. In fact between me and dad, we've got 8+ jobs either in the works or coming up including a machining job on a local hospitals 1940's vintage steem ironing machine, a 50's model D8, a newer CAT excavator, a IR rock drill, a John Henry rock drill, a Detroit out of a Linkbelt crane, possibly an American crane +++ and that's just as of today. As far as proof of the product from another source, if you want the name of the two smaller customers I mentioned their both in business for themselves so I'd be happy to give ya'll their numbers and you can call them if you want. The big customer with the Northwest dragline is a Hanson Aggrigates sand pit in Eastern NC. As for TX Toms comment about buying by contract from anybody ask Hanson how much doing that has cost them on their dragline. We rebuilt 90% of their machine, new bushings, bearings, etc in 2001. Within a year we were back in it replacing the same bushings and bearings. The grease they were buying through a contract with the oil company, "the best stuff around" was leaving piles because it had no tack and simply ran out. It couldn't provide any lube on the ground. They went through a a variety of suppliers over the past 5 years and we've been right there the whole time replacing bushings and bearings, making a pretty good profit for ourselves I admit, all the while telling them to at least give the LE products a try. Now that they have they love the stuff. True, it's twice the initial cost of the "regular stuff" but when you double the life of the lube and half the frequency of lubing that all equals out already. Then factor in the man hours gained by not having to lube as often, the increase in productivity with those gained hours, the increased life of the machine, and you come out WAY ahead in the end. Like Davis said, the oil companies are out to make a profit and they couldn't care less about the customers machines. My job is to look out for my customers interests the best I know how and if I can turn them onto something better then I'm not doing my job if I don't at least give them the info. In this case I was just trying to get the word out to everyone on this forum that took the time to read the post. As hard as it is to turn a profit farming and as expensive as machinery and repairs are I figured everyone could benefit from the knowledge if it'd save the some money in the end. Like I said though I can put the info out there, what anyone decides to do or not do with it is their own business. As for my customers I stand to lose some work, either now or later, whichever way they decide. It's that integrity and honesty that keeps us covered in work..... ... As far as LE products that's just my .02, take it or leave it..... .

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NEsota

12-20-2006 12:38:58




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 19:17:47  
No tools, Lets, please keep the punches above the belt.



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No tools

12-20-2006 15:01:14




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NEsota, 12-20-2006 12:38:58  
NEsota.
Didn't think about the punches.

Just wanted ever one to know I'll stood in the bull ---- all my life.

Figure i'll stick with my bull ---- cause it's harsh enough.

can't stand no more.

right now i got to steal some cooking oil out of the house here.

my old 8n is knocking.Low oil



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KIPinMX

12-19-2006 23:43:45




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 19:17:47  
Interesting that LE has been in business since 1951 and in my 30 years working with helicopters, I've never heard of LE and have never seen this brand as a manufacturer approved oil, hydraulic fluid or grease for aviation use. Our engines, gearboxes, hydraulic systems, couplings, rotor hubs, etc, HAVE to have the best lubricants available, so what's up with LE? I don't doubt they have good products, just wondering why they don't have aviation products after all these years. Am I missing something?

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Steve Crum

12-19-2006 21:30:04




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 19:17:47  
I talked to the regional rep for LE on Monday. He's sending me information on their oils, greases and food grade lubes. Sounds pretty good. I really want to see how their lubes compare to Swepco industrial lubes



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NC Wayne

12-19-2006 20:06:07




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 My email for anyione with any questions in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 19:17:47  
If anybody has any questions about anything I've seen feel free to email me. I'll answer any questions I can and I'll be happy to call my Rep and get answers to any I can't or pass on your address to him and he can point you in the right direction. Dan's a good guy and he's always done right by us so I know he'll do right by ya'll too.



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Alice Cole

05-12-2007 09:37:39




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 Re: My email for anyione with any questions in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 20:06:07  
I have an old international harvester heavy duty brush hog Model #84, Serial #2670 I would like to find new blades or a brand that might be compatable with this model. I think it may have been made in the 1940's.



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Aaron Ford

12-19-2006 19:39:24




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 19:17:47  
We use it at work for motor/gearbox couplings on essential equipment. This is a high heat/load area under constant strain. Instead of taking the equipment out once a week for lube, LE is used to extend the run time between lubes. Normally the equipment needs to be taken down for something else long before the it needs the coupling relubed, so downtime for lube is zero. I cannot say it is cost-effective for every application, but in this case it is a necessity.

Let's go Mountaineers,

Aaron

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No tools

12-19-2006 19:29:39




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 19:17:47  
Wayne.
I'am not going to down the products that you use as far as oil& grease's.

Let's just say i have a family member that works in a bulk plant.
Do you relize how many Names Three oils are sold under.

Thats why our oil is bought by bids.



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NC Wayne

12-19-2006 19:52:28




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to No tools, 12-19-2006 19:29:39  
Yes, I realize that the bulk oil is sold like that. However it's nothing but a petroleum base product at that point. The BIG difference comes in when the base product is made into an actual lubricating oil with the various additive "packages" are added. The types of additives, amounts of additives, etc all determine how the final product will perform. Nobody cares about the base, it's the preformance of the final product that makes the difference, and it's that difference in performance that makes the LE oils and greases so much better than the others. As one of the other posts suggest there is a time and place for everything and every application isn't good for LE. They don't usually cater to the logging industry for hydraulic oil due to the amount of oil lost from to busted lines, etc. With the difference in price of LE-vs-regular it simply isn't cost effective to pay more for oil that isn't gonna stay in a system long enoug to really make a difference. I'm sure there are other examples just like this too, but for general use on farm equipment, in diesel engines, etc it can't be beat in my opinion.

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No tools

12-19-2006 20:09:28




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 19:52:28  
Wayne

How do you think people got along so many years without this stuff.

was the iron better back then?
we have one crank shaft in a rubber tired dozer that has wore out 3 busted blocks.WE use 3in1 oil in it.



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NC Wayne

12-19-2006 20:47:48




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to No tools, 12-19-2006 20:09:28  
OK, three busted blocks---why did they bust? ...over how many years???... As far as running 3in1 oil in it I honestly don't see how the engine has survived at all. That oil is so light weight I can't understand how it supports the loads imparted to it by the main and rod bearings. As far as I know 3in1 is a general purpose oil with no EP additives in it at all. Run some LE and it'll last 10 times as long as it already has...LOL..... As far as the crank outlasting the blocks again what broke the blocks and how many times has the crank been turned? Was the crank turned at each new block?? If so it didn't outlast the block, it was given a new life each time. The crank I mentioned was a new one that had 12 years of hard running and didn't need to be turned. Again something dad said he hadn't seen in all his years in the business, and (something I didn't say before) something the guys at the machine shop were just as amazed about. If ya'lls didn't need to be turned when the blocks got broke then ya'll got dang lucky is all I can say. As for this scenario, as a whole, all I can say is there are some things that simply can't be explained. I don't claim to know everything about everything, or about any one thing in particular for that matter, all I'm trying to do is give some friendly advise and trying to help these guys on here out if I can.

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No tools

12-19-2006 20:52:40




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 20:47:48  
Wayne

There we are??

If you beleive that then you'll beleive the man selling the oil?



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NC Wayne

12-19-2006 21:41:32




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to No tools, 12-19-2006 20:52:40  
I don't understand.....If I'll believe what, that your running an engine with 3in1 oil in it.....I learned long ago to never say never. If in fact you are running it that way and it is surviving then NO,I can't explain it but who knows. Heck patent the idea and sell it to the new equipment makers so their new engines can last a million miles/hours plus. As far as the older iron being made better, I don't think it's made better so much as it's made to be more tollerant of adverse conditions which we all know are present in great numbers in the field. The newer stuff is being made with such tight tollerances that, yes it might run good when it's running, but the breakdowns are more catastrophic than they otherwise might be. As far as believing the man selling the oil, you've totally misunderstood my whole position here. I never said I "believed the man selling the oil". In fact I look at EVERY salesman with a degree of suspicion because they profit from their products, the very reason, as you've read, I don't sell it. In fact look at the post I made awhile ago to the guy looking to buy one of their synthetics, where I all but tell him to queston wether the salesman is selling him what he needs or what's gonna make him (the salesman) the most money. When I got turned on to LE I was trying to find a better product for the guy who was paying for a turbo every year, my time to put it on, and the downtime for that machine (drilling and blasting is high dollar work).. and doing it for 3 machines. I talked to our customer that had used it for nearly 40 years and saw firsthand the experience he had had with it and formed my own opinion from there. What I've been saying all along is I don't believe the salesman, I believe the product. Heck, I'll give you Dan's (our reps) number, call him and ask him wether he sold me the oil or wether the oil sold itself. He'll tell you I'm a hard headed SOB when it comes to proving what you say about any product, heck about most things for that matter. In fact he didn't call on me initially, I called him and asked him to come out and talk to me. After he and I talked I told my customer about the oil he set up his own meeting and Dan went to see him. Based on what I told the customer and his conversation with Dan he formed his own opinion and bought a little bit of the oil to try. Then and only then, based on his own expeerience, he started buying in bulk for all of his machines and is still buying it.----- --- A slick salesman can sell a sucker anything, and a good looking woman can sell a man just about anything unless he's hard headed like I am, but a good product sells itself to a knowledgable consumer by providing results. That's all I can tell you....

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Jim Johnson

12-19-2006 19:47:58




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to No tools, 12-19-2006 19:29:39  
Hey NoTools I haven't had time to read the literature yet but from talking to the salesman it is a different kind of oil than your regular oil. It's not a synthetic but a mineral based oil that will allow me to go 60,000 miles on an oil change, changing filters at regular intervals, always been skeptical of this claim but I'll check it out and let you know more later on this week.



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NC Wayne

12-19-2006 20:02:00




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to Jim Johnson, 12-19-2006 19:47:58  
Just remember, a salesman is always gonna be a salesman, even with LE. Just like anybody else their synthetic stuff is gonna be more expensive than their regular stuff and unless your application requires synthetic, I say go with their 'regular' stuff, it's just as good. I don't know any of my customers running synthetic and I've told ya'll the expereinces they've had so far. The Detroit in my Freightliner has a recommended change interval of 15,000 miles. With the "regular" LE stuff I can get way more than that with no problem as long as I do a normal filter change. It isn't cost effective with a small sump but with a larger engine all you'd have to do is pull a sample for analysis at a normal change interval and keep doing that til the results said it was worn out. Shorten that just a little and then make that the change interval. Like everything saving a dollar costs a little in the beginning but in the end you make it all back.

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Jim Johnson

12-19-2006 19:27:07




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to NC Wayne, 12-19-2006 19:17:47  
I contacted them and got some literature when I got home this evening. Thanks. He wanted to know where I heard about it, told him from your thread, maybe you should have left your email, might have got a commission? Thanks again I'll read it tomorrow. Jim



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NC wayne

12-19-2006 19:40:35




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 Re: RE my LE oil post ---For Notools, Tom inTX , in reply to Jim Johnson, 12-19-2006 19:27:07  
Not worried about making money selling oil. I make enough money and have enough headaches from working on machines to worry about another profession. One of the reps up the road in Raleigh talked to Martin Marietta's corprate guys about getting their contract the other day. He dropped our name at the meeting as someone who'd give a honest evaluation of their products based on what we've seen over the years in the field on various types of equipment. Turned out good for him since a few of the guys present new Dad from working on their machines over the years when he was with a dealership and later when he went independent and took MM's crane work with him. Now if I could get a commision off that account I might think twice...LOL..... With that much money I wouldn't have to worry about anybodies machines anymore, I could retire at 38, live the easy life, and buy my own machines....LOL.....

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