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Kestrel

12-17-2006 17:45:59




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I know it plays like a broken record on this forum, but here's a sad story of a worn out farmer just trying to hang on. He's about 25 minutes from me but he could just as easily be your neighbor.

Now if most of us want to enjoy living in scenic, rural settings, maybe it's time state and local governments started asking non-
farm residents to help support these vanishing operations before they become history. Call it a "pay per view" tax or something like that. I'd do it. Anyone feel the same or am I just dreaming.

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coflyboy

12-18-2006 09:53:30




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-17-2006 17:45:59  
Throughout my career the toughest lesson I had to learn was the difference between what I wanted and what I needed.

In the beginning I did what I wanted to do with no thought to what was needed in the market in which I was involved. I got a lot of hard knocks.

Finally I learn to look for a market, or niche, that was not being supplied or was not being supplied well. I finally reallized some rewards getting into these markets. It was not always what I wanted to do, but more often what needed to be done.

I guess that I finally learned that since I was not the brightest bulb on the string I had to find a string without too many bright bulbs.

Progress brings opportunity. This is the land of opportunity.

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Mike (WA)

12-18-2006 08:26:42




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-17-2006 17:45:59  
Not to be a grinch here, but I was involved in ag finance for 25 years, and even in good times, a 75 cow dairy would have trouble supporting 4 families (owner, son, daughter and son in law, and full time hired man, according to the story). Another option would be to go organic, as most of the small dairies in this area have. Milk for them is at $20+ per cwt.



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john in la

12-18-2006 07:37:25




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-17-2006 17:45:59  
I know all to well about the dying breed in this country and really feel bad for them. I can remember my dad's picture in the local paper from when he shut down his home delivery milk business that I can trace back past my great grandfather.

But how is another tax or more government involvement going to help. Government regulations is one of the problems and causes of small farmers going out of business.

If you think about it the invention of refrigeration and high speed interstate system is what started this problem. Are you ready to give up either of these??? From the first refrigerated rail car they have been hauling beef from the big ranches out west back east.
With the ability to truck anything across the country in 48 hrs or less you no longer need local farms.

This is also a bigger problem than just farming. If we subsidize farmers and pay them not to produce or artificially inflate the price where does it stop. Do we subsidize every hardware store that Home Depot put out of business. Do we subsidize every Five and dime or corner store Wal Mart has put out of business. Do we subsidize every factory that has closed because of imports from Mexico or China.

We as a country have made this bed now our children must lay in it. We have taught them to buy cheap; throw it away when used and buy more cheap stuff rather than buying quality local products. We have empowered our government to regulate us to death in a hope of protecting us from each other. We have empowered or legal system to sue each other in a attempt to get some free unearned fast money or to make our neighbors do things our way. Ect ect ect…………………………..

So all I can say is..... ...
Welcome to the modern world.

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Truth seeker

12-18-2006 07:11:27




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-17-2006 17:45:59  
This might be the cause of some of the farmers problems.

These are audio files made in August 2004 and I have no problem listening to them with my sllooooww dialup.

Part one
Link



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Kestrel

12-18-2006 15:13:43




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Truth seeker, 12-18-2006 07:11:27  
Truth Seeker,
My dream of seeing the decline of the family farm reversed is now shattered. Except for a few organic niche operations, it sounds like the concensus is just to adapt to the modern world. I understand the economic forces, but I don't have to like it.

Thanks for the audio links. Gordon makes a convincing argument as to how it all happened. When there is more people in prisons than there are farmers in this country, something is out of balance.
I didn't catch his solution, but I believe the core problem is that there exists too many people in this world for the old small scale business models to work. So rip up all the highways and return to cobblestones, gaslights, and warm beer ? Maybe. Hey, things could be worse-like raising coconuts in Canada thank to global warming..... . Kestrel n CT

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Truth seeker

12-18-2006 17:39:44




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-18-2006 15:13:43  
Hello Kestrel
I Agree that the family farmers are in trouble,
I disagree that there are too many people in this world for the old small scale businesses.
If you listen to the rest of the series he'll give his solution, I've just got to his 6th part in the seven part series, and have learned alot and, halleluyah, there is a solution! (There will be an ultimate FINAL solution in the future. If you know what I mean ;-D ) But in the mean time this is a solution that we as INDIVIDUALS can use.
We can't rely on federal handouts and price supports, because well..... ... You already know how that ends up.
The main problem as you heard from Gordon is BIG Corpoations that (no hard feelings to the previous poster who used the term) only care about their bottom line.
As for tearing up all the highways and return
to cobblestones, gaslights, and warm beer, well,
I don't think we'd have to get THAT dramatic, (although I don't have a taste for that stuff,warm OR cold).
I know how easy it is to get bummed out about the current situation and it will get worse before it gets better.
Persevere, listen to at least one more part in the series, and think alot. I'm also e-mailing this to you in case you don't read this on the forum.


P.S. consider the amish farms (I've never seen an amish farmer on welfare)
If you haven't seen there operation's you should go and see one, (I know, I know, They have very large families, but that's how the farm and family were intended to be.)
I await your response

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Chris in MO

12-17-2006 20:01:28




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-17-2006 17:45:59  
I agree that this is a horrifying picture of what is to come (perhaps?).

I was fascinated by the bit at the end of the article about half a dozen Connecticut farmers joining together to retail their own milk. Takes a certain amount of gumption.

The more I live and learn, the more I realize that the only way we'll be able to compete with the mega-corporations is to go directly to our neighbors and those in nearby towns and cities and do what the big guys just can't do--- sell truly quality products which don't disadvantage someone along the way, but only benefit the producer and the consumer. I guess the only one hurt in this scenario is the fat cat corporate boardroom guys. The nice thing is that each small farmers' coop makes such a small dent in the big guys that the big guys probably wouldn't even notice. See, no one's feelings get hurt. Now that is a win-win-win situation.

Merry Christmas to all. Blessings in the New Year.

Christopher

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Davis In SC

12-17-2006 19:35:38




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-17-2006 17:45:59  
Interesting, but sad article.. The same thing is happening all over.. not only to farms, but to lots of other enterprises. Most people do not realize it, but the foundations that built our great country are fading fast..

What are we going to do, when all the farms and factories are gone??



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Dandy Don

12-17-2006 18:56:05




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-17-2006 17:45:59  
He"s selling milk at $12.00 a hundred and I"m paying $4.85 a gallon at the corner market.Damn middlemen are robbing us blind. People holding a gun on you don"t do that well. No wonder people love free enterprise. But as usual someone gets the shaft. Don



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Howard H.

12-17-2006 18:30:23




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Kestrel , 12-17-2006 17:45:59  
Hi Kestrel -

Don't know what to say - it seems like around here, for every farmer going out there is another one on the next corner hell-bent for 320 more acres and a couple more sprinklers.

I farmed for 14 years before I figured it would just be easier to take an office job.

The only advice I'd say to have is keep a very close eye on the BOTTOM LINE and not to let the huge stream of money going in and out lull a person into thinking it will "just all work out".

The loan officer sure won't have that attitude.

I'd sure hate to be doing that at age 70!

HH

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B-maniac

12-17-2006 19:58:57




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to Howard H., 12-17-2006 18:30:23  
What maters is that that land still remain farm ground for someone!! What the government could/should stop is all these middle class cookie cutter housing projects springing up on PRIME farm ground! Now it's GONE for good! doesn't grow ANYTHING! I understand some of these farmers need this income to live on in their retired years. Simple , sell off the frontage and leave the rest to farm! No , we build on the whole 60 -80- or even 100 acres. What's worse , they don't even skim off the top soil and put it back on a neighboring farm so it can be usefull. They pile it up out back and let the weeds grow on it. I guess when it's all gone we will import EVERYTHING from South America. No country will have to bomb us , our country is "For Sale" ! All they have to do is BUY us! And they are already doing so.

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dhermesc

12-18-2006 06:22:38




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 Re: Slipping away in reply to B-maniac, 12-17-2006 19:58:57  
Yeah that will work.

So when Jack and Susan Tiffany decide to sell out the only potential buyers will be other farmers that watched them go broke? How much do you think they'll get for their farm then?

They inherated their land and still couldn't make it pay, how's that going to work when some one is trying to finance the land?



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