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What to set tire width at?

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Mark Johnson

12-17-2006 08:00:38

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What do people set their rear tire width at for parade tractors? I have an old Super c that i am restoring. But with hauling it around most trailers I am looking at are 6 foot wide.Do you just set your tires narrow to accomodate hauling? The tractor looks newer with the narrow setting and axles are out past rims but I guess that is the only solution.Any ideas as to what anyone does?

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Doomer

12-20-2006 19:34:54

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Mark Johnson, 12-17-2006 08:00:38

Just go with a gosseneck car trailer

low center of gravity
safer towing - eases headache of weight distribution and dealing with dot

gooseneck is the only way to haul any significant amount of tractor

bumper hitch will do fine for the non-Deeres

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Don L C

12-17-2006 15:05:48

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Mark Johnson, 12-17-2006 08:00:38

That is what I do....the tractor looks good at finder width..... put wood blocks under rear corners of the trailer when loading and un loa6ding....

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Don L C

12-17-2006 14:52:01

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Mark Johnson, 12-17-2006 08:00:38

A good tandom axel trailer with 2 3500# axels, ewith brakes on bouh and a equallizing hitct will do just fine.....this trailer will haul, 2 Cubs,2 A's or 2 C's..... one H at about4500#....the M is too wide,but still only weights about 5500#

Some guys dont answer your question.....those big 8 and 8 1/2 wide trailers cost too much for a small tractor and they weigh to mush to drag around.....not only that the best pulling ones are fifth wheel or goos neck,,,,fine if you need them.....

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The Dukester

12-17-2006 14:15:41

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Mark Johnson, 12-17-2006 08:00:38

Well, I've got 2 trailers with about 84 inch width decks and one has side rails. I like to do a lot of plowing so I've set the wheels on my A, G and GW John Deeres so there is about 60 inches between the wheels and they are about 82 1/2 or 83 inches overall width at the tires with the axles of the G types at 84 inches width and the A at 86. There is a little axle sticking out but not much...even on the A, This width fits the trailers and works out good pulling 3-14" plows. The wheels on my MM UTU are a little closer together at about 57 inches because it has 15.5 tires on 15 inch rims so to load it on either of the trailers requires the closer spacing. About 3 inches of axle and washer and capscrew stick out beyond the tire width on this tractor. The H and M Farmalls have their wheels in the "dished out" position and the H's wheels are about 1" away from the housing and the M's about 1/2" away. The M is too wide for the trailer with siderails but we can load it on the other one by removing the left fender, loading the tractor, and then replacing the fender. You can upset any tractor with any wheel spacing if you don't know what you're doing and get careless. Like any other machine you operate it safely with knowledge and respect. Stupidity and carelessness get you killed, not wheel spacing.

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buickanddeere

12-17-2006 10:46:22

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Mark Johnson, 12-17-2006 08:00:38

Even for loading and unloading. A wide track setting ofr rear tires may make the difference between a roll over or not. Instead of Micky Mousing around with a narrow bed trailer and trying to squeeze in between the fenders. Get a proper 8Ft or in Canada a 8ft 6in wide deck over trailer. Those narrow trailer sare intended for atv'S, garden tractors, snow sleds and hauling livestock feed or junk to the dump. I agree about hooking on protrouding axle ends. We have cranked the wheels out on all of ours so the tire is flush with the axle end.

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Keith-OR

12-17-2006 12:04:44

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to buickanddeere, 12-17-2006 10:46:22

As a 20+ year OEM of custom built trailers I will not even dignify a response to the miss conceptions of trailers built for lower center of gravity....fendered trailers.

Buickanddeere, no disrespect intended....Thanks

Keith & Shawn

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buickanddeere

12-17-2006 16:31:23

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Keith-OR, 12-17-2006 12:04:44

The difference in center of gravity between a properly built deck over with low profile tires. Vs. a fendered trailer is neither here nor there. Rollovers of trailers on the highway is not a concern. People getting into trouble with not enough brakes, not enough springs, sub standard tires and not enough tow vehicle is where crashes occur. The trailers I see in the ditch were still on all their wheels when they left the road. The fendered trailer just temps owners into driving a rowcrop on until the rear tires touch the fenders. Now there isn't enough tongue weight and the "tail wags the dog" into the ditch or into on coming traffic. Safer my *ss A class III or class IV ball or pintle hitch doesn't cost any more than a fendered in the 5000 or 9999lb class. Your 5th wheel excuse is just an excuse. And the tongue hitch trailer readily attaches to a farm tractor. Or to a dump truck or pickup with a cap on the box.

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12-18-2006 13:45:21

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to buickanddeere, 12-17-2006 16:31:23

I'll take exception to the 5th wheel or goose being an excuse. Are you saying that a bumper pull is a stable as a goose or 5th wheel? If so, we can each mail a grand or so to the city clerk in Durango, CO, meet up here in Montrose and you can pull my 16' b-p and I will pull my 16' goose down there sometime in February; winner takes the pot. Oh yeah, bring tire chains. Included is a photo of a Buster Brown on Red Mountain Pass; it won't look like this in February. :->

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buickanddeere

12-19-2006 14:41:47

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to mj, 12-18-2006 13:45:21

For the .01% of trailer towing on mountain passes during slippery conditions when it's best to park your rig. A bumper hitch will put as much weight on the front and rear with a weight equalizing hitch. Such a tiny little advantage there, not worth it. For the 99.99% of load haulers who need to get the tractor mid trailer instead of being stopped by fenders. It's better to use a deckover trailer and get the proper for-aft balance instead of a tail heavy fendered trailer that will sway the rig into the ditch or oncomming traffic.

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Keith-OR

12-17-2006 17:58:43

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to buickanddeere, 12-17-2006 16:31:23

I really don't think I ever said anything about 5th wheel or improperly loaded trailer of ANY type. If one loads any trailer improperly, be it 40 to 50 ft commercial to a 4x4 utility trailer, you are looking for a place for accident to happen. Common since and knowledge should prevail. Respectfully

Keith & Shawn

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Mark Johnson

12-17-2006 15:15:49

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Keith-OR, 12-17-2006 12:04:44

Keith-Or,
Could you email me about a custom trailer? thx
mavj75@gmail.com, i hope this isnt against the rules if it is i will delete this

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Keith-OR

12-17-2006 18:14:24

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Mark Johnson, 12-17-2006 15:15:49

Mark have copied your email addy. will send email

Keith & Shawn

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Keith-OR

12-17-2006 10:25:06

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Mark Johnson, 12-17-2006 08:00:38

Makr, I cut the axels off on my son's SC after moving the wheels in to a width of 72 inches. All we are going to use tractor for is parades and pulling hay wagon setup to hual handi-capp kids.

I did not want the axels sticking out to hook on other vehicles!!!

Keith & Shawn

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old

12-17-2006 08:20:22

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to Mark Johnson, 12-17-2006 08:00:38

If all its going to be is a trailor queen then set them to fit the trailor and be done with it. Now if your going to use it then set it as needed and either be ready to more them in and out as needed or buy an 8 foot wide trailor

Hobby farm

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B-maniac

12-17-2006 08:25:43

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to old, 12-17-2006 08:20:22

The reason it looks "newer" is only because most new tractors have the rears slid all the way in for shipping reasons. Purely owner preferance on a non-working tractor.

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BarryfromIA

12-17-2006 15:55:15

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Re: What to set tire width at? in reply to B-maniac, 12-17-2006 08:25:43

Hi folks. I have a CASE 300b, it is set about right for 30" rows with a 12x38 tire. It has the power adjust rims so they can be set out without jacking it up. Worked good on a landscape trailer and an older fender trailer. Not a trailer queen, but gets cleaned up to go to the fair though.

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