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SamMI

12-12-2006 04:01:46




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I have had several bad experiences with A&I parts. I would not expect the high quality you get with OEM parts but the trade off is price. I would expect that the parts would be serviceable and fit the application. It appears they do not have any quality control as far as machining fits and I suspect they use the cheapest materials available. When the problem is theirs don't expect them to share in the cost of returning the item. I have had to stick my vendor (twice) with return cost as I refused the parts. What say you guys?

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Seth_ia

12-12-2006 17:56:00




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
As a dealer for A&I and other after market parts, I can tell you A&I is better than some others. In perticular Herschel-Adams tractor parts are very poor, but they make the best tillage parts I've found. I have never really had quality issues with A&I. I can say from experience that there return policy and peolple SUCK, and I am somewhat ticked off with them. Not that I plan to loose the dealership. They once told me that they had not received an order, and to resubmit it. They had got it and it got lost on some idiots desk. I ended up with duplicate $500 orders. Long story short, after argueing with them I was a able to get it so I only took $100 loss on shipping.

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Glen in TX

12-12-2006 09:45:48




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
You can sure get what you pay for with any of those aftermarket parts and it's sad that's the only choice sometimes for some so have to make do with them. One guy recently was real happy when we could get him some green tranny gears for about a 1/3 of of OEM prices. Yep they were foreign made but looked really good when they came in and quiet and working well so far. If the parts look inferior or something wrong just refuse them right then like you said and keep looking is about all you can do. There are reasons why it became too costly to reproduce "quality made in USA parts" here and no one to blame but ourselves and our fat cat politicians and tree huggin lawyers. I'm not pickin on other lawyers yet only the tree huggin ones lol.

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jdemaris

12-12-2006 06:46:34




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
I've been using them with no complaints. I think your're going to find in some cases - that their parts appear to be inferior quality to OEM - but . . . the newer OEM stuff also appears to be of inferior quality when compared to OEM parts few years back. E.g., a lot of over-the-counter parts from Deere et. al. now come from China, India, Bosnia, etc. . And, many Chinese companies are known for - once having the tooling setup - making the same parts and selling under different brand names. My point is - it's not easy to predict what you're going to get - over-the-counter from a tractor dealer anymore. Same goes with car/truck companies. Last year - I rebuilt the engine in a friend's Deere 350 dozer with A&I parts. He ruined it a week later - mainly because he forgot to plug in his block heater - and wanted it started in a hurry at 10 below zero. So, he loaded it with ether and broke all three pistons to pieces. I was pretty digsusted - especially because it was a friend involved - and I'd done the job as a favor - i.e. no money involved. I pulled the engine part, found the pistons shattered - and blamed the cheap A&I engine parts. Shortly after - we conducted a "test." I took one of his old Deere pistons alongside a new A&I piston and tried to smash them with a sledge-hammer. The older Deere piston was somewhat tougher - maybe forged instead of cast? So, this time we bought pistons over-the-counter from Deere. They appeared to be just like the A&I pistons and were not the same quality as years back. But, we didn't smash any new ones to test. I did a quick job of putting new pistons, rings , and sleeves - entire job was done in 5 hours. He promised to use the block heater. A month later - he ruined it again - I think he's getting senile. A first he swore he hadn't used ether. Then his daughter came out and told me her dad used two full cans of ether - on a below-zero morning - because her truck was stuck in the snow and he was in a hurry.
Nothing like friends? He's in his late 70s - and I think he is having a few thought-problems. I pulled the engine apart again - and found the Deere OEM pistons just as broken as the former A&I. I told him this was - the absolute last time I'd fix the engine - and we insalled A&I again. He swore he'd never use ether again and I haven't heard from him since. Maybe he forgot my phone-number? My point is - my gut instinct was to blame A&I and it appears I was wrong. On another engine - last year I replaced just one piston and sleeve in my IH B-275 along with new rings on the other three pistons. I bought the parts over the counter from my local Case-IH dealer. They came in Mahindra boxes with IH stamped over the Mahindra name. Why was I only replacing one piston and sleeve? Because I was being really cheap at the time - and I was kind of mad at the tractor. Then later - I had some glow-plug problems and finished off a worn engine with ether. Anyway, a few months later - the tractor got really hard to start. Pulled the head off - and the three cylinders that did not get the new piston - had no top rings left. So, this time - I bought an complete engine piston & sleeve set from this website. The parts looked to be exactly the same as what I got over-the-counter from IH. They fit fine, it runs fine, time will tell, I guess.

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JT

12-12-2006 06:43:25




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
you are 50/50 correct. A lot fot he hard parts are made by the same as the OEM. Now, the tune up and carb parts leave a lot to be desired. The engine rebuild kits are very good, the have name brand pistons, rings, gaskets and bearing. Their lawn and garden belts are very good, I sell a lot of them. They are like everything else in life, if it seems too cheap a price it is probably not a good thing.

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Ray

12-12-2006 05:58:52




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
A&I is owned partially if not all by John Deere.



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JiminIA

12-12-2006 05:24:05




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
As an A&I Dealer I have had good luck with them, IMHO I think they are one of the better aftermarket suppliers. As said before most equipment dealers carry A&I and will sell their parts. ...Jim



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low budget

12-12-2006 05:08:58




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
Personally I've had real good luck with them. About half price of OEM many times. Of course the fact that my brother works for a repair shop that is a dealer makes it handy, he orders what I need and drops it off for me when it arrives. (he also has other aftermarket sources to shop around to)Often if you go to the OEM dealer they sell you an A&I part for an OEM price.



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Allan In NE

12-12-2006 04:56:22




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
Depending on the part of course, but I "usually" try to search out an original part.

Kinda like the old tractors themselves; I just trust the old stuff that was manufactured back when there was a bit of pride in the product and things weren't built for a throw-away society.

Probably why I've spent the past three hours setting here combing an original evaporator rather than just buying a new aftermarket. It's a trust thing; I know that old bugger will work. :>)

Allan

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hay

12-12-2006 06:51:05




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to Allan In NE, 12-12-2006 04:56:22  
i combed out an entire tractor radiator with a small flat blade screwdriver and a small flat piece of galvanized steel sheet. whadda job that was. the hardheaded shop foreman where i worked insisted on NOT using a radiator comb and i did not have one anyway. took my own sweet time and it turned out ok. the company was paying for my time, so what the heck? sure don't want to do it again.



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IaGary

12-12-2006 05:09:53




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to Allan In NE, 12-12-2006 04:56:22  
Good thing you weren't setting there in underwear when you took that picture. (:~})

I knew you would get evaporater straight again.

Gary LOL



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Allan In NE

12-12-2006 05:20:50




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to IaGary, 12-12-2006 05:09:53  
Me and my bull-headed ways.

The evaporator is going fairly easily, but that condenser is fighting me all the way. It's one fin at a time and my hands are swelled and covered with blisters from "pickin' away at it". :>(

Wife keeps telling me to quit and order a new one. Dunno, I just wanna see if I can save this old thing. :>)

Allan

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No tools

12-12-2006 06:17:41




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to Allan In NE, 12-12-2006 05:20:50  
Allan
you think your bull headed?

Got home yesterday evening found salt block&bale of hay on front porch.I ask her about it??
thought the angus was moveing in??
No!!! thats for you

Come back
Bill



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Allan In NE

12-12-2006 06:25:13




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to No tools, 12-12-2006 06:17:41  
Scared to ask what she figured you were going to have for desert. When that woman says "Cake", she means it. :>)

Signed,

Alfalfa



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RustyFarmall

12-12-2006 04:32:15




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
Ditto on the inferior quality. About a year ago I was buying carb kits from them. The gaskets do not fit, quite often parts are missing, and it's a crap shoot whether you even get the correct set of instructions. Even when the instructions are correct for the application, the info included is sorely lacking.



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Aaron Ford

12-12-2006 07:54:47




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-12-2006 04:32:15  
Amen on the carb kit. Mine did not have half of what I needed and the throttle shaft would not fit. I cleaned and reused the old. Even one time use only parts were not in the kit. It was the basic carb kit, if that means anything.

Let's go Mountaineers,

Aaron



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Mike M

12-12-2006 04:23:39




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 Re: AI after market parts in reply to SamMI, 12-12-2006 04:01:46  
I have used them before,but it has been awhile,and had good results. I received a package from them last year about this time. I had not ordered this stuff,don't know who did ? And I even had trouble sending this stuff back.I had to go out of my way makeing several calls and it took forever to get a call tag to ship it back. I have had increasingly more and more trouble with OEM stuff not being right.

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