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Flat top Diesel?

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Sunny 4 acres

12-10-2006 12:01:53




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Has any engine manufacturer built a flat top diesel? Speaking of diesel I found a 1-71 detroit diesel generator from 1935. Lots of intreasting things on www.youtube.com I heard the generator run and watched the video. I would imagine that would be one of the first industrial and even first diesel engines?




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george md

12-10-2006 21:55:23




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 Re: Flat top Diesel? in reply to Sunny 4 acres, 12-10-2006 12:01:53  
third party image

The picture is a 1-71 engine at the kinzers show

this summer. the link is to some more pictures of

it and a 1927 cummins diesel .

george

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jdemaris

12-10-2006 17:27:47




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 Diesel didn't make first diesel in reply to Sunny 4 acres, 12-10-2006 12:01:53  
Detroit Diesel did not even exist as a company until 1938 - so what's the deal with the Detroit Diesel 1-71 you mention? And . . . what is a "flat top" diesel? Do you mean diesels with flat-top pistons? I've never heard the name before except in reference to some locomotives. The earliest diesel engine on record was built by an English guy - Dugald Clark (or Clerk)in 1878. Obviously, it was not referred to as a "Diesel" at the time. It was a two-stroke diesel with a supercharger. It was his design that later led to the Detroit Diesel. First compression-ignition four-stroke engine that was demonstrated to work (and later called a Diesel) was by Rudolf Diesel - in 1893. It ran on kerosene and showed a 26% efficiency. The one that he is better known for is his 1897 engine which is regarded as the first four-stroke diesel ready for production and practical use. First diesel train that I know was 1912 in Prussia. First diesel crawler tractor that I know of in mass production was the 1931 Caterpillar. First diesel wheeled tractor in production was a Renault VY 1933 in France. First diesel Mack truck had a Cummins engine 1933, but the first production Mack diesel truck was 1935. Mack had some diesel experiments starting 1925. Detroit Diesel was formed 1938 by GM, and it started production of the 71 series - according to their archives.

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Sunny 4 acres

12-10-2006 17:47:12




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 Re: Diesel didn't make first diesel in reply to jdemaris, 12-10-2006 17:27:47  
I stand corrected. The generator is not a detroit. It is a General motors Diesel. Go to youtube.com type in detroit diesel and scroll down to the 1935 1-71 generator.



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sunny 4 acres

12-10-2006 16:20:00




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 Re: Flat top Diesel? in reply to Sunny 4 acres, 12-10-2006 12:01:53  
What was the first diesel tractor?



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Mike (WA)

12-10-2006 19:39:23




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 Re: Flat top Diesel? in reply to sunny 4 acres, 12-10-2006 16:20:00  
Have been told that the first mass-produced model was the International WD-40, in the mid-'30's. Visited an old gent in Saskatchewan who had about 20 of them, in various states of repair- still used them to farm, about 10 years ago. The injector pump was huge- looked like it would take 2 men and a boy to remove it. He also had 20 or 30 cars lined up on the hillside- never sold anything, just parked it in the line when it went on the fritz. He could tell you just what was wrong with each of them, some from 40 years earlier. Interesting fellow.

BTW, by "flat top" diesel I believe he meant flathead- Were there any?

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nebraska kirk

12-10-2006 13:59:22




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 Re: Flat top Diesel? in reply to Sunny 4 acres, 12-10-2006 12:01:53  
I don"t think you could consider that one of the first diesel engines. Rudolf Diesel operated his first successful engine in 1897. The first wheeled diesel tractor came out in 1934, and there were diesel crawlers before that.



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Larry from md

12-10-2006 12:11:09




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 Re: Flat top Diesel? in reply to Sunny 4 acres, 12-10-2006 12:01:53  
Yes



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