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THEJDMAN01

12-06-2006 16:33:48




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As some of you may have already read, I purchased a brand new truck. Three was aproblem with it leaking antifreze when i went to pick up the truck they fixed that but I also purchased through the car dealership, a undercoating and rhino bed liner. They (biggers chevrolet) sold me the rhino liner/undercoating but the warrenty is through the place that applied the product ss supply. They (biggers chevrolet) delivered the truck to me today and the rhino liner had air pockets in it very wavy and pealing from truck bed separating already. So i stopped the salesman said hey this is shut. Then i looked at the undercoating it was a thick goo for lack of better words but still very very wet. I could literally wipe it off with my finger. They got busy at ss supply and sprayed the bed liner/undercoating on the truck, and put the vheicle outside (in below freezing conditions. the bed liner and undercoating didnt cure. Tehy brought the truck to me today and we had black ice last night. Road crews spread on gobs of salt. The undercoating ahd chuncks (bb size) pieces of raod saalt embedded in it. They sprayed the whole udnerside of the truck including wiring, brake lines etc. All embedded with pieces of road salt. Their" make it right" approach is to clean off waht htey can of undercoatign and rhino liner and re apply. However I know they cannot get ever nook and cranny piece of undercoating off that truck on a respary so inevitably some will be sprayed over. They will then be sealing the water/salt air against my electrical connections frame and brake lines. The warrenty is through ss supply, obviously a bunch of idiots if they didnt realize the truck coudlnt be put ouside to cure. Chevy if i have a rust problem will say its the undercoating that caused it and do nothign. If ss supply goes out of business or if i have a problem they may do nothign or say tough luck or be out of business. IF they respray it and seal in some poieces of water and salt and air will it being not able to get any more water air rust out my frame and possibly brake lines??? Should/can i refuse the truck???? From the way i read it if the deal is not completed they can keep your downpayment (ie 2500 bucks) but i already signed the contract and paid the balance of the tdruck in full and they ahve cashed the checkl. They have my money. I am driving one of their dealer demos. CAn i cancel the contract now since they cant delvier me waht i woudl consider good goods?? Can they keep my downpayment? all of it? Should I accept it and not worry about it? The dearl sai dthe best they can do is all they can do is get off what undercoating they can the best then can and reapply (which is true) but will i have problems in 5 years? I know 99 percnet of you will say dont get the undercoating its a rip off but too late now and i was trying to protect a large investmetn the best i coudl

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B-maniac

12-08-2006 20:56:47




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
have read all the posts below. Have worked at dealerships.Have had own dealers lisc. Most people wouldn't believe all the things hidden from them or lied to them about when it comes to new vehicles. My advice: forget about the lawyer etc , call the Bureau of Automotive Regulation at your state capitol. They are the consumers watch dog and your tax dollars are already paying them to solve these type problems for you. THEY give the dealership the liscense and THEY see to it the dealerships follow the rules and they WILL fine them if they don't. Chances are , if you tell the dealer you are going to talk to the B.A.R. at your state , you will get the results you need. I could tell you stories about so called "NEW" cars sold at dealerships that would curl your toe-nails , from first hand experiences. I , for one, don't feel sorry one bit for the state of our auto industry and crooked greedy dealers and salesmen are one of it's biggest problems.

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dr.sportster

12-07-2006 15:47:42




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
Forget the lawyer.Call GM, go over the dealers head.They bought back my freinds truck[Chevy Avalanche}because the dash lights kept going out since new.They tried to show him another Chevy when he had the check from GM in his hand at the dealer and he said no way Im buying the Dodge hemi.Ford also bought back my neighbors truck.He just whined and whined until they couldnt take it anymore.The wheel that squeeks gets the grease.The trick is not to become agravated yourself but dont give in.You will get the best buy back if you dont put any miles on the truck.You paid for a brand new truck not one with salt chunks.I know another guy that didnt accept his Corvette paint job and got it stripped and repainted twice[that was an insurance deal from oversprayed railing paint].Refuse to give in.Just keep saying the same thing over and over and they will have to find a way to satisfy you.

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CLW

12-07-2006 07:59:34




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
I think you should give the dealer and the company that did the undercoating every chance to make it right before going to the next step. I would hold off on a lawyer until all else fails. I have read where anything but factory undercoating CAN plug drain holes and are no longer advised but that is up to each of us to decide for ourselves. I agree with VADAVE about the slip in bedliner. The last GM I bought new was a 1994 and in the owners manual it said you should only use the one installed by the dealer. Then the next line says it "may void your warranty" if you do use it.

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Mike M

12-07-2006 07:38:17




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
I feel bad for you. I rate going to the car dealer right up there with a trip to the dentist or doctor. I'd rather take a beating ! I think your rustproofing may ? be better off at this point to not have them mess with it anymore. The salt may not of got through it.I think they will only make it worse. I also think rustproofing is a good idea,but some brands are better than others. The road crews are back to using calcium cloride and we all know what a mess that makes of tractor rims ! Todays cars and trucks are back to rusting up quick again. More chemicals on the roads plus factory protection getting lesser from cutting costs. Spraying oil on and in my truck has really helped slow down the rusting I should really due it more ,but it is messy.

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Easy1

12-07-2006 06:26:32




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
Tell them you are getting a lawyer. Refuse delivery. Insist on talking to the zone rep. Get a lawyer.



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RHINO PROB

12-07-2006 05:59:57




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
First thing to do would be to call Rhino linings corporate office and ask if the base coat will ever cure. Then ask if they have any concerns about the salt coating. Corporate should give you honest answers because any bad Retailer hurts their name, as shown on here on YT. Second get an outside quote from someone like Line-X. Then take this info to the Dealer and Raise your stink. DO NOT let the dealer or Rhino installer to tell you what they think, what they think is unimportant. You need info from an outside source that can help YOU. Everyone else is trying to cover their a$$.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

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Dave2n

12-07-2006 05:07:57




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
I agree with "Hard Knocks" below. I'd do what he says. I think GM is making an all out attempt at a come back and by going through channels, they'll take care of you.

If this fails, make a sign out of plywood and put it in the bed for all to see: "Don't Buy from Biggers Chevrolet!" That will ge taction.



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Hard Knocks

12-07-2006 04:30:16




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
Get an attorney to write them a letter listing the problems send them and GM a copy. You will hear from them.



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colekicker

12-06-2006 22:34:43




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
#1 You requested and paid for services that were done incorrectly. It is not your fault that the dealership's supplier for the undercoating / bedliner messed up.

#2 The dealership (if any good) should stand up and take care of you, the customer, if they have true customer service.

#3 The Better Business Bureau. File the complaints against the dealership and the company that supplied the dealership the liners.

#4 Call GM customer service. Tell them of the poor service you are receiving. No company can afford to have an unsatisfied customer these days.


You are suffering from buyer's remorse. It is natural. But you are more justified because the products you purchased were not up to the standards that were originally intended. The salesperson should be working with you to calm your buyer's remorse if they like to keep sales.
Although they have your money, you have their loaner vehicle. Keep it until the situation is made correct. Make it very clear that you do not want this vehicle that was incorrectly prepped for you. It does not meet your standards.

Hold your ground. The dealer is supposed to be taking care of you and working to maintain your business for future sales. Don't get mad or yell. Just keep your cool. This will be the hardest thing to do. Make clear your expectations so that you get the resolution that you desire. If you don't, you will regret this purchase for a long time.

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ChevCase

12-06-2006 20:45:45




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
Having spent 30 plus yrs. dealing with customer issues at GM I would offer some comments. There is absolutely no value in adding aftermarket undercoating to any of todays vehicles made by any mfgr. period. My opinion is that it is a waste of money but makes the buyer "feel good". In some cases, I think it actually causes problems with cracking and retaining moisture and salt. Also, my personal opinion is that a simple bedliner from GM, sold by all GM dlrs. is in all circumstances superior to spray in coatings. They look good on TV and in ads and make the buyer "feel good" but really are not all that durable compared to a simple bedliner. I would also very much agree with Allan in Ne. that there is probably another underlying issue with your purchase and it is manifesting itself as dis-satisfaction with actually very minor issues.

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dhermesc

12-07-2006 06:07:38




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to ChevCase, 12-06-2006 20:45:45  
I agree with the undercoating statement 100%. If anything it will cause more rust problems a couple years later then it will ever help.



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thejdman01

12-07-2006 04:59:02




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to ChevCase, 12-06-2006 20:45:45  
It is NOT BUYERS REMORSE. I am very very happy withthe truck etc (ALOTHOUG w/300 mi on it now (paperowrk signed at 159) i ahve only drivin it twice I am very happy with the truck, however jsut scared fo rust in the future w/the botched undercoating. Rhino redone, rhino dealer and salesmen agreed both junk. Their only fix is to redo the bed liner that i think will be ok hoever the undercoating that has salt in it that they will respray and possibly trap that salt scares me. Other then that I am very happy. I have asked about stripping the undercoating 100% and having it done somehwere else by a reputable dealer or just leaving it bare but they will not. The bed liner issue is resolved to my satisfaction, I am happy with the truck jsut not the undercoating.

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thejdman01

12-07-2006 04:57:19




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to ChevCase, 12-06-2006 20:45:45  
It is NOT BUYERS REMORSE. I am very very happy withthe truck etc (ALOTHOUG w/300 mi on it now (paperowrk signed at 159) i ahve only drivin it twice I am very happy with the truck, however jsut scared fo rust in the future w/the botched undercoating. Rhino redone, rhino dealer and salesmen agreed both junk. Their only fix is to redo the bed liner that i think will be ok hoever the undercoating that has salt in it that they will respray and possibly trap that salt scares me. Other then that I am very happy. I have asked about stripping the undercoating 100% and having it done somehwere else by a reputable dealer or just leaving it bare but they will not. The bed liner issue is resolved to my satisfaction, I am happy with the truck jsut not the undercoating.

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VADAVE

12-07-2006 04:04:18




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to ChevCase, 12-06-2006 20:45:45  
ChevCase let me tell what is wrong with slip in (simple) bedliners. 1)they retain water between the liner and the truck thus promoting rust which will be serious in about 5 years. 2)they're made of plastic and with just a little frost and a slight up grade will unload the truck. Had it happen twice with a load of lumber, laid that load right on the ground. Spray on liners don't do either of these and they should not have air pockets.
Now let's talk about undercoating. If the plan is to trade vehicles every 5 to 7 years, as the manufacturers want you to, then undercoating is unnecessary. However if the plan is to keep the vehicle 10+ years it becomes a different story. Don't believe me? look at ten yeat old trucks with the bottom rusted out of the tailgate or the seam along the sides showing rust. I had a Jeep with the good Dana axles and undercoated, had no rust on the body but after 10 years getting work done on the axles had increased cost just due to the accumulated rust and that truck was garaged.

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dhermesc

12-07-2006 06:21:45




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to VADAVE, 12-07-2006 04:04:18  
Under coating doesn't last 10 years. As he posted it goes on thick and goopy. After five years of wear, heat and wet the undercoating cracks and takes the original factory finish with it, just like if you apply any finish too thick. Moister and salt eventually works its way between the undercoating finish and the metal causing even more rust. I've seen plenty of older expensive cars with owner that opted for this "protection" that suffer horribly from rust even though they've had the best of care.

If you're really concerned about it have your car put on a lift every year or two and have the visible rust sanded and the affected areas painted, it will cost you a couple hundred but it actually works.

If "undercoating" a car would prevent it from rusting all the manufacturers would do it and offer 10 year rust through warranties. Instead (as in this case) the manufacturers don't even allow their dealerships to do it since it ruins the factory rust proofing and makes any electrical or fuel line repairs a real bear.

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JOHN HARMON

12-06-2006 20:27:34




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
You are in a no win situation.However if revenge is on your mind before you get many miles on it , go to a Ford Dealer and try to swap it out to them so they can use it in a finger pointing Ad Promotion.Now is the time to act. After the present situation has cooled off you will be left holding the bag so to speak. You will likely lose a little now but will lose big time later on.Plus you will have a much better Truck in a Ford. My opinion. John

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730virgil

12-06-2006 19:25:22




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
is there any way you can contact the rhino company and complain about poor job their agent did ?



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Steven@AZ

12-06-2006 18:55:38




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
I feel for you, seriously. This is why all the major automakers are in such trouble - lack of customer service is one of their major problems...

For me it would be worth a couple hundred bucks to sit down and talk with a lawyer about the options that would be available to me.

On a related note, I sure am glad I drive vehicles that are worth under $5000 - something happens, I'm not out much. I'm actually moving on to buying salvage vehicles and repairing, even less $$ invested. The Mrs. gets the high dollar outfit and we both stay happy.

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Kelly Campbell

12-06-2006 18:37:28




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
Call this number, 800-222-1020, make sure that you have your facts straight and be calm and cool, explain the situation and that you want it recitfied, also it'll help to have the vin number....BTW this number is for chevy customer service, also can be found in the back of the vehcile manual in the loaner that your driving.



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thejdman01

12-06-2006 18:12:57




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
The problem would be goign toget an attorney what it woudl cost me, tieing it up oin court to get my money get another truck if if if i win (im sure a big dearl has at least 1 attorney on retainer)I put calls into the owner of the dealer but he wont return my calls. The "most right" they can make it is pressure wash it and reapply but wont that trap the salt and road spray in ????? ??? Dealer says "itll be ok" but thats the remark i expected, itll be ok but wont put nothign in writing.

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thejdman01

12-06-2006 18:17:29




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to thejdman01, 12-06-2006 18:12:57  
Jus ttalked to the aftermarket s s guy about the undercoating they sprayed it put it back outside right waway. The put it outside becasue "they got busy needed spay" he said respray will beok but what woudl he say?. shouldnt be my problem they got busy, but it is now because i got a goofed up truck.



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John in Ct

12-06-2006 17:57:31




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
If I read your post correctly " also purchased through the car dealership, a undercoating and rhino bed liner" so it is my opinion that the dealer is liable. You wrote the check to them. I am sure they got a cut of the extra $$ you paid. The bedliner didn't completely stick because of the cold outside. That stuff is supose to stick really good, if they somehow get it off or just respray the bad parts, I would say you got a crappy job. On the undercoating, some NEVER dry. I know Ziebart does but Rustfree on my car done 14 years ago is still tacky. I think they can get all of the undercoating off if they spray it with kero but that is a few days of dirty work. Bottom line, you paid your good money and want a quality job and you got a job some halfwits would do. I would be mad too. Contact the dealer, then chevy then if necessary get a lawyer. I bought a brand new GMC 7000 (I think that was the series). It was a special order. It came rusty, bad paint and they pushed out the grease seals when it was greased. They said I have to take it. I said NO!!!! They were going to sue me, heehee. I did have to go to court to get my deposit back. I believe that if I pay money for something, then it better be done right!!! If I were to be getting a car every year, this would be no big deal. I keep my cars 20+ years and down the road you will have a problem.

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thejdman01

12-06-2006 18:09:14




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to John in Ct, 12-06-2006 17:57:31  
Exaclty my problem, i bought the under coating to tyr to protect it and run this truck to death esp at the money i spent. The salesmanager seems to seriulsy give 2 shuts less about customer satisfaction and word of mouth. It was done through the chevy dealer but at an after market vendor. The after market vender will pressure wash it and respray it. But my frea is theyll just respray over the salt (ie pressure washer wont get it off) and trap the salt water in there and itll rust in there. There is definitly a problem the salesmanager agreed but the only thing they can do is respray it. But I dont know if itll ever be right if they do that. THey dont want to seem to give me any warrenty in writing. Dealer or vendor. They wont refund my money dealer says they cant becuase the truck is laready titled and now used. But i still ahvent taken posession of it or said it was ok.

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MarkB_MI

12-06-2006 17:57:23




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
If you're not happy with the undercoating, let the dealer know you want it made right. You paid for it to be done right and it's not right. As far as whether or not you'll have problems in 5 years, you might have problems in five years even if they did it right. Get them to fix it to your satisfaction.



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12-06-2006 17:15:43




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
If it was me, before I got a lawyer I would get in the glove box of that loaner your driving and get the phone number of the customer service at G. M. it should be in the owners manual explain to them your problems, tell them you are not going to accept that truck and that you will get a lawyer if neccesary. I would almost bet you will get satisfaction! I would never accept that truck I would get them to start over from scratch. The price of the new vehicles I would not let them push their screw ups on me..

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Allan In NE

12-06-2006 17:14:13




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
Comon' now.

Get a hold of something sturdy, set down, maybe even have a stiff drink and face the real issue that is really botherin' you.

You're going thru what is known in the business as buyer's remorse. Happens all the time.

Customer buys something, probably pays way too much and then immediately starts picking it to death when the fact sinks in of what he has just done.

You know perfectly well that it will take 3 months for the undercoating to set; if you've ever applied it, you also know that it isn't put on with a woman's eyeliner pencil either. That stuff is slopped on and it isn't pretty. It is supposed to be "gooped" on.

The bed liner will be just fine if you quit poking your fingers in it.

Cool down, Hoss. You're getting all worked up over nothing.

Allan

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thejdman01

12-06-2006 18:02:01




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to Allan In NE, 12-06-2006 17:14:13  
The thing is it was sold at the chevrolet dealership but is aftermarket, gm wont do anything about it. Allen with all due respect I think your wrong. I have talked to other dearler (who right now wont even get involved in another persons mess) or charge you for the other persons mess and the dealer says tough luck. The rhino liner is peeling off. I shoudl be able to poke at it andd rop rocks in it (ie the commercial). It should have air bubbles in it and pee off. The undercoating shouldnt ahve chunks of salt embedded in it. IT should have been dry to the touch dry to the skin befrore it left (the owner even admitted it should have been. The most there willing ot do can do pressure wash it torrow and spray some more undercoating on there and let that dry. Chevy wont do anything as this is aftermarket and its not chevys fault they ahve done this

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Allan In NE

12-06-2006 18:45:10




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to thejdman01, 12-06-2006 18:02:01  
JD,

This is just my opinion, okay?

You really, really don't want them to redo that undercoat. That is gonna turn out to be the biggest, nastiest, filthiest mess you ever saw.

And besides, what they will probably do is just take the truck to the wash bay, hit it with a bath of soap and then just reshoot the undercoat again trapping anything that the bath didn't remove.

Then, the reapplyed undercoat won't stick because of the damp surface and it's gonna be dropping off in your garage for the next year.

The salt is just fine on the undercoat. Leave it alone and let the undercoat set up as it needs to. It takes a long, long time and it is already protecting your new truck anyway.

Don't know about your peeling bed liner; that sure might be a different story.

Better days are ahead, Bud. Keep the chin up. :>)

Allan

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Davis In SC

12-06-2006 20:15:36




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to Allan In NE, 12-06-2006 18:45:10  
Allan, I have to kinda agree with you.. In the past, I have gotten Way too upset about little things on a new vehicle. Just human nature, I guess... spend big bucks on a new ride, you want to make sure everything is right.

I bet you never saw any upset customers, back when you worked at a dealership, did you?? LOL



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thejdman01

12-06-2006 19:08:33




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to Allan In NE, 12-06-2006 18:45:10  
Thats what scares me allen. I know thats all they will do (shot r in the washbay and reapply). They say that is the best they can do, but as you say it will jsut trap the salt in. The trap is already embeded in it and if i leave it alone it will dry embedded in it, so how good will that be? The rhino liner they fixed that this after noone, that doesnt bother me as that didnt get any salt on it in it, and that was peeling off, so I am confident they got that all off and reapplied. The Undercoating however, with all the nooks, crannies, etc i know they cant wash ita ll but i dont know if leaving it alone, with the salt trapped is a good idea either. I dont know what to do, its hopefully the last truck ill have to buy and dont wante a rusted mess in 5 years and being in n il we already ahve enoguh problems without trapping salt there from the beginnign..

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Ken L.

12-06-2006 16:44:40




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 Re: TRUCK /DEALER PROBLEMS ADVICE APPRECIATED in reply to THEJDMAN01, 12-06-2006 16:33:48  
I believe in undercoating and have it done by a reputable dealer. Never had the problems that you have. I would contact an attourney and let him decide. I would not accept that truck. If it's peeling in some spots, it was poorly prepped and more problems will show later.



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